Unions don’t like feedback, do they?

via Brian Greene:

Protesters don’t like … protesters. Interesting how they manhandle this guy who ask them to take a wage cut:

15 Responses to “Unions don’t like feedback, do they?”

  1. Maxi Cane says:

    Not surprising really.

  2. Paul Brett says:

    Who’s this guy? I’d vote for him.

  3. Brian Greene says:

    union top brass on salaries (and combined salaries) 10 times the amount of the people they represent deserve this attack. This man was attacking the fat cats in the unions not the unions or the rank & file. [remember ICTU video on fat cats Feb21 http://url.ie/2t0i well they have their own fat cats in the big unions and in ICTU]

    Begg & O’Connor should be living on a workers wage, i wonder if they know anyone living on the min. wage or avg. industrial wage. They may know one MEP that is.

    Begg was also timetabled to be at a very big Aer Lingus Board luncheon yesterday afternoon where he is a director of a company slashing conditions, pay and jobs.

    The guy in the video, I think his name is Alan, as a lady on the foot path outside Cleary’s shouted “you tell him Alan”

  4. markofu says:

    I think most of us agree with what the protester said, but will it ever change?

    O’Connor was atrocious on Monday night past with Pat Kenny. It’s scary how many people follow/listen to him. Of course he’ll never take any of the blame for what has happened. Should benchmarking not work both ways?

  5. I am not a union member. Nor do I agree with the unions’ line on economic policy. I do not know whether union leaders are over-paid.

    Anyone who attempts to disrupt a demonstration in the way that “the protester” did IMHO cannot expect to get treated any differently than this man was.

    Nor do they deserve to be. It’s a march, not a meeting or a debate. Even if it were, no participant is entitled to impose himself by shouting abuse.

    As for the notion that those who lead the workers should be restricted to a pay level set by that of their lowest-paid member, or even that of the average member, this is “feel-good dreaming” territory. I disagree with David Begg on many things, but he is an accomplished professional whom the unions are lucky to have working for them. He deserves to be paid well.

    It is suggested that he should not be on the board of a company that is letting workers go and reducing pay. For as long as this ridiculous idea holds sway, workers will never get more say in running the economy: if you are managing a business, almost inevitably you will at some time have to fire people or make their conditions less attractive. If workers want their representatives to take decisions, they will have to take the rough with the smooth. I have no inside knowledge, but I bet that an Aer Lingus board without Begg would be doing even more to annoy Brian Greene.

  6. Brian Greene says:

    @fergus David Begg on the Board of Aer Lingus is not the kind of workers control that I seek. Workers, Rank & File & shop stewards would do more than elitist types sitting on the board.

    My suggestion of union leaders pay levels is a firm one, it is less likely that the union leaders on 10 times the salary of the union member is in touch with the members reality. This is borne out seeing how disconnected the leaders are while round the table of ‘partnership’ with politicians that earn 10 time what their constituents earn. Out of touch – disconnect.

    Begg would not work on 10% his salary, a better candidate should be elected. The layers below the ICTU high command are the very well paid leaders of each of the unions. Expect change not to come from the top. The members on the unions demanded this first march after the sell out of the labour movement (Gilmore then ICTU) calling off March 30th 2009 protest.

  7. @Brian

    If the main requirement for a union leader is that s/he remain “connected” – and I agree that it *is* an important requirement – then I suppose that reducing pay to that of the average would do something to bring that about.

    What I suggest that you have to consider whether it would have other, less desirable, effects. Trade unionists – the teachers’ unions have been especially vocal on this of late – know as well as most that if you want to get good staff, you have to pay a wage that matches the challenges of the job.

    Also, I suggest that it would be more useful to pay the rate for the job and to build in a mechanism which ensured that leaders who failed to represent the membership faced the sack. Because, as we can see from the example of the teachers as well, paying “top-dollar” does not guarantee a top performance.

    For a trade-union leader, to become disconnected from the membership is to fail to do the job properly.

  8. Brian Greene says:

    @Fergus its not so much what they get paid its what they live on. “living on a workers wage”

    TDs & MEPs on a workers wage don’t get paid a workers wage but they redistribute their wage that is fixed by Parliament to their parties under strict SIPO rules and to community campaigns.

    so if a trade union leader has 6 directorships and a main job, its not about the sum total and take home pay and returning the monies to the boards he is a director on. Take the monies and distribute it accordingly but at the end of the day don’t expect respect when you are living on a income(s) ten times the salary of your membership.

  9. manuel says:

    and they tip for shit too…….which is ironic really….

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  11. Philip O'Neill says:

    “Anyone who attempts to disrupt a demonstration in the way that “the protester” did IMHO cannot expect to get treated any differently than this man was.

    Nor do they deserve to be. It’s a march, not a meeting or a debate. Even if it were, no participant is entitled to impose himself by shouting abuse.”

    This doesn’t make sense to me. Of course everyone is entitled to expect civil treatment in public but as long as this man doesn’t raise his fists, he’s entitled to say what he likes and make his point. Democracy is not held in a forum chosen by etiquette. Of course there are limits, but he is within his rights to say his piece. It’s on the road for crying out loud.

    Besides, I agree with his main argument; the country is badly run and corrupt because everyone in power seems to be in bed with each other. It’s blindingly obvious to everyone now the country’s in recession.

  12. @Philip

    Of course, he’s entitled to his views, and to express them, and there is some validity to them, too.

    But, he was not merely shouting from the sidelines, he was trying to stop the march and turn it into an argument.

  13. Jack White says:

    Ha Ha. That’s the mentalist who went barmy on The Frontline about Pat Kenny’s wages. not the brightest lampost on the street in all honesty.

  14. FXR says:

    The same guy also turned up at the RDS for the book launch of The Greatest Show on Earth by Richard Dawkins where he was also asked to leave after speaking. I felt sorry for him. At one point he shouted “I’m one of 13 children” and someone behind him shouted “sit down, your’e embarrassing the other 12”.

    In a way he’s an embarrassment because what should be the roar of a whole people across the width of this sorry corrupt little island is instead reduced to one lone man bellowing on his own.