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	<title>Comments on: Social Media and Political Parties in Ireland</title>
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		<title>By: Eamonn Carey</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2011/01/20/social-media-and-political-parties-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-926968</link>
		<dc:creator>Eamonn Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the point about people not being open/proud of their politics is very true. For the sake of a micro, two minute comparison, I took a look at the three main political parties in the UK. 

The Conservatives have almost 131,000 fans, Labour have just over 93,000 and the Lib Dems have about 500 more fans - about 93,600. So based on a population of 61 million, that&#039;s about 0.002% of the population for the Conservatives and about 0.0015% for both Labour and the Lib Dems. 

I think people don&#039;t wear their politics on their sleeves any more. I certainly don&#039;t know what way many of my friends vote (though I have my suspicions about some). Also, I think a lot more people are floating voters. I remember when I was younger people used to be FF or FG voters - regardless of the candidate standing or the policies advocated by the party. That&#039;s definitely not as prevalent now. I think people are far more likely to be a fan of a particular politician than be a fan of an overall party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point about people not being open/proud of their politics is very true. For the sake of a micro, two minute comparison, I took a look at the three main political parties in the UK. </p>
<p>The Conservatives have almost 131,000 fans, Labour have just over 93,000 and the Lib Dems have about 500 more fans &#8211; about 93,600. So based on a population of 61 million, that&#8217;s about 0.002% of the population for the Conservatives and about 0.0015% for both Labour and the Lib Dems. </p>
<p>I think people don&#8217;t wear their politics on their sleeves any more. I certainly don&#8217;t know what way many of my friends vote (though I have my suspicions about some). Also, I think a lot more people are floating voters. I remember when I was younger people used to be FF or FG voters &#8211; regardless of the candidate standing or the policies advocated by the party. That&#8217;s definitely not as prevalent now. I think people are far more likely to be a fan of a particular politician than be a fan of an overall party.</p>
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		<title>By: Treasa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Treasa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2011 21:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t see this being an internet based election on the simple grounds that a lot of voters don&#039;t even interact with media much through internet, never mind political parties. 

That being said, I don&#039;t see that figures for likes/friends on FB as a valid metric by which to measure how internet based an election could be here for the simple reason that the voters who matter - those changing from last time out - are almost certain not to declare any allegiance on FB or anywhere else. As a set of stats, it&#039;s very self selecting and probably not representative of the population of Ireland on FB as a whole never mind the population of Ireland, both on and not on FB. 

Does it matter? Probably not all that much to be honest. A lot depends on the level of political interaction online and if you take - for example - politics.ie or the politics forum on boards.ie, a key feature of discourse in Ireland is that it consists of a lot of yelling and not much actual discussion. 

When you can get the level of interaction changed, more livechats allowing greater access to senior politicals, then maybe. Get them on IrishDebate.com possibly as well as interacting more effectively on twitter (let&#039;s face it Dan Boyle and Paul Gogarty were entertaining rather than actually interacting on twitter) then maybe you can see the election moving away from the normal hustings and canvassing here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see this being an internet based election on the simple grounds that a lot of voters don&#8217;t even interact with media much through internet, never mind political parties. </p>
<p>That being said, I don&#8217;t see that figures for likes/friends on FB as a valid metric by which to measure how internet based an election could be here for the simple reason that the voters who matter &#8211; those changing from last time out &#8211; are almost certain not to declare any allegiance on FB or anywhere else. As a set of stats, it&#8217;s very self selecting and probably not representative of the population of Ireland on FB as a whole never mind the population of Ireland, both on and not on FB. </p>
<p>Does it matter? Probably not all that much to be honest. A lot depends on the level of political interaction online and if you take &#8211; for example &#8211; politics.ie or the politics forum on boards.ie, a key feature of discourse in Ireland is that it consists of a lot of yelling and not much actual discussion. </p>
<p>When you can get the level of interaction changed, more livechats allowing greater access to senior politicals, then maybe. Get them on IrishDebate.com possibly as well as interacting more effectively on twitter (let&#8217;s face it Dan Boyle and Paul Gogarty were entertaining rather than actually interacting on twitter) then maybe you can see the election moving away from the normal hustings and canvassing here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 21:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;People not proud of their politics.&#039;

Absolutely true.  Not very many politicians out there to be proud of Damo...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;People not proud of their politics.&#8217;</p>
<p>Absolutely true.  Not very many politicians out there to be proud of Damo&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Mulley</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2011/01/20/social-media-and-political-parties-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-926911</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien Mulley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 11:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TUG
You take the GPO, I&#039;ll take the Mill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TUG<br />
You take the GPO, I&#8217;ll take the Mill.</p>
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		<title>By: TUG</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2011/01/20/social-media-and-political-parties-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-926907</link>
		<dc:creator>TUG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little transparency never hurt anyone but Irish politics has been so tribal that speaking your mind on FF or FG could have an effect on a career or whatever... Your wider issue is a lot more nuanced... At least, we don&#039;t have to declare whether we are Republicans or Democrats... Although it is Census time coming up shortly... Maybe I&#039;ll follow the Church of Mulley this time out!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little transparency never hurt anyone but Irish politics has been so tribal that speaking your mind on FF or FG could have an effect on a career or whatever&#8230; Your wider issue is a lot more nuanced&#8230; At least, we don&#8217;t have to declare whether we are Republicans or Democrats&#8230; Although it is Census time coming up shortly&#8230; Maybe I&#8217;ll follow the Church of Mulley this time out!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Mulley</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2011/01/20/social-media-and-political-parties-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-926896</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien Mulley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 23:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think @Paul hints at a wider issue. People not proud of their politics. Or the vocal ones embarrass others enough to actually censor their fellow supporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think @Paul hints at a wider issue. People not proud of their politics. Or the vocal ones embarrass others enough to actually censor their fellow supporters.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2011/01/20/social-media-and-political-parties-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-926893</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 23:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compare the Obama campaign to any party over here. VoteforChange was advertised on computer games for gawd&#039;s sake, as well as the insane sweeping motion across all realms of social media. 

Those numbers spoke for themselves.

This isn&#039;t a case of people being apathetic, or not wanting their &#039;friends&#039; to know what way they are voting. Granted, budgets aren&#039;t close between the two, but smells of poor implementation, and lack of understanding of the platform to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compare the Obama campaign to any party over here. VoteforChange was advertised on computer games for gawd&#8217;s sake, as well as the insane sweeping motion across all realms of social media. </p>
<p>Those numbers spoke for themselves.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a case of people being apathetic, or not wanting their &#8216;friends&#8217; to know what way they are voting. Granted, budgets aren&#8217;t close between the two, but smells of poor implementation, and lack of understanding of the platform to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Knott</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2011/01/20/social-media-and-political-parties-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-926882</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Knott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you compare and contrast the Party pages with the candidate pages and profiles?

Sad as it sounds, frequently a person is elected due to being liked (as opposed to &#039;liked&#039;) by their local electorate. Even with a strong party pull, the most liked candidate for that party would get through. (Hence the importance to attend the right weddings and funerals and attending to certain potholes and a**holes). 

This could mean that if all the candidates in an area have a profile, the one with the most &#039;friends&#039; might get the most votes.

Is it possible to get those statistics, either for a single constituency or for the nation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you compare and contrast the Party pages with the candidate pages and profiles?</p>
<p>Sad as it sounds, frequently a person is elected due to being liked (as opposed to &#8216;liked&#8217;) by their local electorate. Even with a strong party pull, the most liked candidate for that party would get through. (Hence the importance to attend the right weddings and funerals and attending to certain potholes and a**holes). </p>
<p>This could mean that if all the candidates in an area have a profile, the one with the most &#8216;friends&#8217; might get the most votes.</p>
<p>Is it possible to get those statistics, either for a single constituency or for the nation?</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Organ</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2011/01/20/social-media-and-political-parties-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-926872</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Organ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you might be wrong on this one. While those numbers could be higher I think its a social thing. Most people don&#039;t want all there &#039;friends&#039; on facebook to know what party they support. 

Its like the saying about politics and religion.. no one wants to say something that will offend half of the audience. 

Those trying to make a statement will but most people don&#039;t want to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you might be wrong on this one. While those numbers could be higher I think its a social thing. Most people don&#8217;t want all there &#8216;friends&#8217; on facebook to know what party they support. </p>
<p>Its like the saying about politics and religion.. no one wants to say something that will offend half of the audience. </p>
<p>Those trying to make a statement will but most people don&#8217;t want to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Organ</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2011/01/20/social-media-and-political-parties-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-926873</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Organ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you might be wrong on this one. While those numbers could be higher I think its a social thing. Most people don&#039;t want all there &#039;friends&#039; on facebook to know what party they support. 

Its like the saying about politics and religion.. no one wants to say something that will offend half of the audience. 

Those trying to make a statement will but most people don&#039;t want to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you might be wrong on this one. While those numbers could be higher I think its a social thing. Most people don&#8217;t want all there &#8216;friends&#8217; on facebook to know what party they support. </p>
<p>Its like the saying about politics and religion.. no one wants to say something that will offend half of the audience. </p>
<p>Those trying to make a statement will but most people don&#8217;t want to do that.</p>
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