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		<title>By: Padraig McKeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Padraig McKeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming to this late but nuances aside we are all on the one page.  Notwithstanding that today I am &#039;outside PR help&#039; that has been asked to assist in some cases, I agree with John&#039;s point that the science community in a wider sense need good in-house PR /communications people.

But there are a lot of players on the field - state agencies, commercial interests, universities, fourth level institutes (Geary / Tyndall etc..) plus all sorts of collaborations across institutions (CSETs, DMMC) and other genuinely motivated parties (Engineers Irl etc.)  The real politick is that they are all competing for that limited media space that Elaine refers, sometimes employing agencies to &#039;protect&#039; their piece (with an eye of course to being able to justify funding)

As much as &#039;investing&#039; in communications capability and helping the researcheerrs to help themselves, there should also be a case for some form of communications csar around this area, with a whip (in the parliamentary meaning of the word) over al of the organisations that have a voice so that some sense of coherence is projected to the public at large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming to this late but nuances aside we are all on the one page.  Notwithstanding that today I am &#8216;outside PR help&#8217; that has been asked to assist in some cases, I agree with John&#8217;s point that the science community in a wider sense need good in-house PR /communications people.</p>
<p>But there are a lot of players on the field &#8211; state agencies, commercial interests, universities, fourth level institutes (Geary / Tyndall etc..) plus all sorts of collaborations across institutions (CSETs, DMMC) and other genuinely motivated parties (Engineers Irl etc.)  The real politick is that they are all competing for that limited media space that Elaine refers, sometimes employing agencies to &#8216;protect&#8217; their piece (with an eye of course to being able to justify funding)</p>
<p>As much as &#8216;investing&#8217; in communications capability and helping the researcheerrs to help themselves, there should also be a case for some form of communications csar around this area, with a whip (in the parliamentary meaning of the word) over al of the organisations that have a voice so that some sense of coherence is projected to the public at large.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of really good points and it seems to me, in many ways, there&#039;s no row at all here. As a journalist, I agree that the media (some media outlets more than others) are focused only on &#039;sexy science&#039;. They don&#039;t cover what you might describe as &#039;routine&#039; output from bodies such as SFI.This is partly because most journalists have no science background and haven&#039;t got the  foggiest idea how to begin communicating with a scientist or a technical person for whom passive language and description of experiments and day-to-day research is lifeblood.
If they try, they often get it badly wrong. Look at @bengoldacre&#039;s stuff in the Guardian to see just how wrong.
The meeja (and I hate to use the term, but I mean media organisations hungry for content, any content, as well as journalists under pressure to &#039;fill holes&#039;) DO get science communication badly wrong.  Tabloids, broadsheets, broadcast media, websites, are all looking for the magic-bullet-cure-for-cancer stories.  They&#039;re not interested in how a group of researchers has &#039;patented technology for the conversion of plastic bottles into biodegradable plastic using bacteria from soil&#039;. (I am, but not everyone is). 

http://tinyurl.com/yzcxpt3

The focus on the flimsy and sexy stuff is funny in one way, but desperately sad and scary in another.
The media&#039;s failure to understand SFI and the language of research and science is compounded by the failure of scientists and researchers to communicate their message in a &#039;media friendly&#039; way.  
DCU&#039;s MSc in Science Communication is one course that&#039;s helping to address these problems.  I haven&#039;t done it and I&#039;m not a scientist, but I&#039;ve years of background in trying to draw out information and in trying to communicate often technical information in an understandable way. And that&#039;s not to say I always get it right.
But recently, I interviewed two senior scientists working for a State body. They were trying to get some coverage for an annual report outlining spend on very specific environment-related R&amp;D programmes. They were excellent - communicated the message to me really well, gave me good case studies to get my teeth into. And guess what? Paper didn&#039;t use the piece. Or did, but days later and only to &#039;fill a hole&#039;.
Make any sense guys?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of really good points and it seems to me, in many ways, there&#8217;s no row at all here. As a journalist, I agree that the media (some media outlets more than others) are focused only on &#8217;sexy science&#8217;. They don&#8217;t cover what you might describe as &#8216;routine&#8217; output from bodies such as SFI.This is partly because most journalists have no science background and haven&#8217;t got the  foggiest idea how to begin communicating with a scientist or a technical person for whom passive language and description of experiments and day-to-day research is lifeblood.<br />
If they try, they often get it badly wrong. Look at @bengoldacre&#8217;s stuff in the Guardian to see just how wrong.<br />
The meeja (and I hate to use the term, but I mean media organisations hungry for content, any content, as well as journalists under pressure to &#8216;fill holes&#8217;) DO get science communication badly wrong.  Tabloids, broadsheets, broadcast media, websites, are all looking for the magic-bullet-cure-for-cancer stories.  They&#8217;re not interested in how a group of researchers has &#8216;patented technology for the conversion of plastic bottles into biodegradable plastic using bacteria from soil&#8217;. (I am, but not everyone is). </p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/yzcxpt3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yzcxpt3</a></p>
<p>The focus on the flimsy and sexy stuff is funny in one way, but desperately sad and scary in another.<br />
The media&#8217;s failure to understand SFI and the language of research and science is compounded by the failure of scientists and researchers to communicate their message in a &#8216;media friendly&#8217; way.<br />
DCU&#8217;s MSc in Science Communication is one course that&#8217;s helping to address these problems.  I haven&#8217;t done it and I&#8217;m not a scientist, but I&#8217;ve years of background in trying to draw out information and in trying to communicate often technical information in an understandable way. And that&#8217;s not to say I always get it right.<br />
But recently, I interviewed two senior scientists working for a State body. They were trying to get some coverage for an annual report outlining spend on very specific environment-related R&amp;D programmes. They were excellent &#8211; communicated the message to me really well, gave me good case studies to get my teeth into. And guess what? Paper didn&#8217;t use the piece. Or did, but days later and only to &#8216;fill a hole&#8217;.<br />
Make any sense guys?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul M. Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul M. Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another important element for R&amp;D to communicate is that Irish tax payer money helps us to secure funding from outside of Ireland. Where I work receives significant funds from the EU and that would not be possible without SFI and Enterprise Ireland supporting us. Securing EU funds is not just about money either. It is a great way of partnering with world class R&amp;D and small, medium and large industry in France, Germany, Israel and elsewhere. Ireland alone is too small a market to spend Euros. I wish R&amp;D in Ireland would communicate just how large a market it gets to interact with everyday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another important element for R&amp;D to communicate is that Irish tax payer money helps us to secure funding from outside of Ireland. Where I work receives significant funds from the EU and that would not be possible without SFI and Enterprise Ireland supporting us. Securing EU funds is not just about money either. It is a great way of partnering with world class R&amp;D and small, medium and large industry in France, Germany, Israel and elsewhere. Ireland alone is too small a market to spend Euros. I wish R&amp;D in Ireland would communicate just how large a market it gets to interact with everyday.</p>
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		<title>By: niall larkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>niall larkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lexia No probs! I was worried. Ray guns and strong coffee can be a dangerous mix. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lexia No probs! I was worried. Ray guns and strong coffee can be a dangerous mix. <img src='http://www.mulley.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree more with Damien. I worked in the Universities and I know about the fantastic work that is going on in the research centres. I also know the achievements of these centres are the best kept secret in Ireland. For example the NCSR in DCU is the number 2 (or 3) research centre in the world in sensor research. It is not communicated.

The most frustrating part is that all the IP and ideas developed in the universities are not being released into the economy. There still is a big disconnect between universities and business. Again communication is the issue (both parties speak a different language) 

Now is the time to release it and make it a lot easier for Irish SME to access the knowledge, ideas, innovation, IP (not the same as innovation) and connectivity of universities. I have seen what can happen (Slidepath, Phive as examples) and it is fantastic when it (sort of) works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more with Damien. I worked in the Universities and I know about the fantastic work that is going on in the research centres. I also know the achievements of these centres are the best kept secret in Ireland. For example the NCSR in DCU is the number 2 (or 3) research centre in the world in sensor research. It is not communicated.</p>
<p>The most frustrating part is that all the IP and ideas developed in the universities are not being released into the economy. There still is a big disconnect between universities and business. Again communication is the issue (both parties speak a different language) </p>
<p>Now is the time to release it and make it a lot easier for Irish SME to access the knowledge, ideas, innovation, IP (not the same as innovation) and connectivity of universities. I have seen what can happen (Slidepath, Phive as examples) and it is fantastic when it (sort of) works.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d argue that this is probably 50% a communications issue and 50% boxticking/money being squandered problem.

Getting good stories out of the universities can be like pulling teeth at times. Many need to up their game, they need good in-house PR people. 

I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d advocate spending public funds on outside PR people although it does seem to be happening in places.

And the flipside I&#039;d say is that there is an element of money being wasted and boxticking requirements are actually hampering good research and good scientists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d argue that this is probably 50% a communications issue and 50% boxticking/money being squandered problem.</p>
<p>Getting good stories out of the universities can be like pulling teeth at times. Many need to up their game, they need good in-house PR people. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d advocate spending public funds on outside PR people although it does seem to be happening in places.</p>
<p>And the flipside I&#8217;d say is that there is an element of money being wasted and boxticking requirements are actually hampering good research and good scientists.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niall, I hadn&#039;t tried my new coffee machine when I posted. But now I am glad that I have. Thanks for being concerned on my caffeine intake. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niall, I hadn&#8217;t tried my new coffee machine when I posted. But now I am glad that I have. Thanks for being concerned on my caffeine intake. <img src='http://www.mulley.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tipster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tipster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2009/09/08/how-efficient-is-public-spending-on-rd/</description>
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		<title>By: niall larkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>niall larkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@lexia hehe I can only recommend camomile lotion for the hives and a reduction in caffeine intake for everything else ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lexia hehe I can only recommend camomile lotion for the hives and a reduction in caffeine intake for everything else <img src='http://www.mulley.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alexia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Markham, then the issue is more an issue of researchers learning to communicate in an audience agnostic way.. If presenting to colleagues be the success criteria than researchers strive to, then that&#039;s what they will and are doing (presently). 

I won&#039;t be the first to say that every research project can be understood by the public - like studies of colours of toad species in the rainforest et al - but these projects are important not only for creating jobs, but also for giving us insight into the world around us. What are toads coloured that waty? Is ecology? Changing habitats? 

But if we don&#039;t try to make talking about research and why it&#039;s important to us, then Science unfairly gets lumped into the bucket of public spending instead of investment in the future. A negative sign on balance sheet. And this is a difficult thing to shirk. 

But I digress and all of this concentration on research is beside the point, though. The thesis of the post says that failure is a necessary by-product of creating successes. And of course, at the heart of this is the fear that putting oneself on the line with an idea - that risk - scares people. Leaving a disproportionate amount of those that try (using supports) either having the wrong sorts of ideas or being chancers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Markham, then the issue is more an issue of researchers learning to communicate in an audience agnostic way.. If presenting to colleagues be the success criteria than researchers strive to, then that&#8217;s what they will and are doing (presently). </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t be the first to say that every research project can be understood by the public &#8211; like studies of colours of toad species in the rainforest et al &#8211; but these projects are important not only for creating jobs, but also for giving us insight into the world around us. What are toads coloured that waty? Is ecology? Changing habitats? </p>
<p>But if we don&#8217;t try to make talking about research and why it&#8217;s important to us, then Science unfairly gets lumped into the bucket of public spending instead of investment in the future. A negative sign on balance sheet. And this is a difficult thing to shirk. </p>
<p>But I digress and all of this concentration on research is beside the point, though. The thesis of the post says that failure is a necessary by-product of creating successes. And of course, at the heart of this is the fear that putting oneself on the line with an idea &#8211; that risk &#8211; scares people. Leaving a disproportionate amount of those that try (using supports) either having the wrong sorts of ideas or being chancers.</p>
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