Comments on: Minister Eamon Ryan’s Next Gen Broadband Forum – Constructive, depressive and with the odd spacer http://www.mulley.net/2008/10/08/minister-eamon-ryans-next-gen-broadband-forum-constructive-depressive-and-with-the-odd-spacer/ Invisible people have invisible rights Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:55:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Fuck the Recession, now give us our data and up our bandwidth « Damien Mulley http://www.mulley.net/2008/10/08/minister-eamon-ryans-next-gen-broadband-forum-constructive-depressive-and-with-the-odd-spacer/comment-page-1/#comment-914865 Fuck the Recession, now give us our data and up our bandwidth « Damien Mulley Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:02:32 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4637#comment-914865 [...] too. Boards.ie’s release of 10 years of data was a brlliant idea. And stop thinking about the killer app, the street finds its own uses for this data and the world will make the apps. The Government can [...] [...] too. Boards.ie’s release of 10 years of data was a brlliant idea. And stop thinking about the killer app, the street finds its own uses for this data and the world will make the apps. The Government can [...]

]]> By: barry http://www.mulley.net/2008/10/08/minister-eamon-ryans-next-gen-broadband-forum-constructive-depressive-and-with-the-odd-spacer/comment-page-1/#comment-912896 barry Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:18:30 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4637#comment-912896 Good one Liam, but I doubt if you'll have any effect, unfortunately. The present situation is so bad there is no money to buy it, even at the firesale price it might reach. That is assuming our present management would even consider it, they are the same crowd who sold it. Just because there is a green minister is no guarantee, and anyway Ryan is a privatisation fan. The only interventionist option is to actually tender out some government work. For example, the HSE could re-arrange the breast scan thing to be a service where scans were done remotely and the results sent to a central unit who could actually look properly at them.... There are dozens of applications which could be processed remotely - thus providing a justification for investment in the network. All of this is before one considers a real opening of the network, the elimination of ConReg for a start.... Bye, Barry Good one Liam, but I doubt if you’ll have any effect, unfortunately. The present situation is so bad there is no money to buy it, even at the firesale price it might reach. That is assuming our present management would even consider it, they are the same crowd who sold it. Just because there is a green minister is no guarantee, and anyway Ryan is a privatisation fan.

The only interventionist option is to actually tender out some government work. For example, the HSE could re-arrange the breast scan thing to be a service where scans were done remotely and the results sent to a central unit who could actually look properly at them…. There are dozens of applications which could be processed remotely – thus providing a justification for investment in the network.

All of this is before one considers a real opening of the network, the elimination of ConReg for a start….

Bye, Barry

]]> By: Liam http://www.mulley.net/2008/10/08/minister-eamon-ryans-next-gen-broadband-forum-constructive-depressive-and-with-the-odd-spacer/comment-page-1/#comment-912865 Liam Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:34:53 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4637#comment-912865 Hi, I vented/ranted to the Irish Times letters page and it was published this morning if anyone wants to read it. There are killer apps for business users. The key apps I would like to be able to run are video-conferencing with clients, high-performance remote storage and reliable/usable VPN connections where accessing network shares etc. happens instantaneously as if you were on a LAN. What really annoys me is when government / eircom talk about broadband penetration as if that's all that matters. Broadband without quality of service and a service level agreement is no good for business. Sure, you can do email and basic browsing but that's all. The exchange backhaul in the village where I live is so congested that as soon as the kids are home at three in the afternoon you're snookered.... and who is going to pay 100K+ to properly upgrade it for the sake of maybe 250 homes? Public money is needed or it will never happen... Hi,

I vented/ranted to the Irish Times letters page and it was published this morning if anyone wants to read it. There are killer apps for business users.
The key apps I would like to be able to run are video-conferencing with clients, high-performance remote storage and reliable/usable VPN connections where accessing network shares etc. happens instantaneously as if you were on a LAN.
What really annoys me is when government / eircom talk about broadband penetration as if that’s all that matters. Broadband without quality of service and a service level agreement is no good for business. Sure, you can do email and basic browsing but that’s all. The exchange backhaul in the village where I live is so congested that as soon as the kids are home at three in the afternoon you’re snookered…. and who is going to pay 100K+ to properly upgrade it for the sake of maybe 250 homes? Public money is needed or it will never happen…

]]> By: Damien Mulley » Blog Archive » Eamon Ryan and his Skype story = Everything is fine http://www.mulley.net/2008/10/08/minister-eamon-ryans-next-gen-broadband-forum-constructive-depressive-and-with-the-odd-spacer/comment-page-1/#comment-912325 Damien Mulley » Blog Archive » Eamon Ryan and his Skype story = Everything is fine Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:14:13 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4637#comment-912325 [...] the Senate, he’s said it in interviews, he told me this story on the phone, he told it at his broadband forum a while [...] [...] the Senate, he’s said it in interviews, he told me this story on the phone, he told it at his broadband forum a while [...]

]]> By: barry http://www.mulley.net/2008/10/08/minister-eamon-ryans-next-gen-broadband-forum-constructive-depressive-and-with-the-odd-spacer/comment-page-1/#comment-912268 barry Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:56:54 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4637#comment-912268 Should I be surprised? It was the usual waffle, great summary Damien. Any organisation that thinks killer apps run developments need to be certified. Were google/facebook/twitter..... even a twinkle in someones eye when the Net started? The role of the Dept. is to implement a strategy for BB and other important infrastructure. The fact they even needed to hold this waste of a day illustrates neatly how far they are from even understanding what a strategy is.... Should I be surprised? It was the usual waffle, great summary Damien. Any organisation that thinks killer apps run developments need to be certified. Were google/facebook/twitter….. even a twinkle in someones eye when the Net started?

The role of the Dept. is to implement a strategy for BB and other important infrastructure. The fact they even needed to hold this waste of a day illustrates neatly how far they are from even understanding what a strategy is….

]]> By: David Gosling http://www.mulley.net/2008/10/08/minister-eamon-ryans-next-gen-broadband-forum-constructive-depressive-and-with-the-odd-spacer/comment-page-1/#comment-911606 David Gosling Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:48:49 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4637#comment-911606 "Balance in everything" as my old ma used to say; interesting to see disagreement over common ground! Killer App, not the point, look back 20 years and it is obvious that initally a lot of technology is almost for it's own sake (or some narrow purpose - internet itself even) but provides space in which innovation can thrive. The future is not ours, we borrow it from our children, so lets look at what they are doing; even if we don't like/agree that it is of value - not our call. Look at public transport - no one uses busses on Sundays so cut back the service! Hard to use them if the service is cut back and a culture does not develope. Get Broadbnd out there and they will come; even my Luddite (sorry mum) mother uses Internet...... Damien, really good report on the event, and spot on take on Officialdom. I have a bit of experience and know that how they operate must be understood and worked with if progress is to be made. Ministers find this out very quickly on taking office. Anyone remember the scene in West Wing where Toby attempts to address the audience of Anti Globalisation protestors? Too mant cooks spoil the... “Balance in everything” as my old ma used to say; interesting to see disagreement over common ground! Killer App, not the point, look back 20 years and it is obvious that initally a lot of technology is almost for it’s own sake (or some narrow purpose – internet itself even) but provides space in which innovation can thrive. The future is not ours, we borrow it from our children, so lets look at what they are doing; even if we don’t like/agree that it is of value – not our call. Look at public transport – no one uses busses on Sundays so cut back the service! Hard to use them if the service is cut back and a culture does not develope. Get Broadbnd out there and they will come; even my Luddite (sorry mum) mother uses Internet……

Damien, really good report on the event, and spot on take on Officialdom. I have a bit of experience and know that how they operate must be understood and worked with if progress is to be made. Ministers find this out very quickly on taking office. Anyone remember the scene in West Wing where Toby attempts to address the audience of Anti Globalisation protestors? Too mant cooks spoil the…

]]> By: erugalatha http://www.mulley.net/2008/10/08/minister-eamon-ryans-next-gen-broadband-forum-constructive-depressive-and-with-the-odd-spacer/comment-page-1/#comment-911597 erugalatha Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:25:54 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4637#comment-911597 Didn't you know that by "Next Generation" the government actually mean that the next generation of our kin-folk might have some form of interwebs connection ... maybe. That's after the government has pulled a few marketing strokes and convinced us that 99.9% of us already have perfuctly good broadband - or are they confusing dial-up with broadband. Do they even know their arse from their elbow? Didn’t you know that by “Next Generation” the government actually mean that the next generation of our kin-folk might have some form of interwebs connection … maybe.

That’s after the government has pulled a few marketing strokes and convinced us that 99.9% of us already have perfuctly good broadband – or are they confusing dial-up with broadband.

Do they even know their arse from their elbow?

]]> By: Keith http://www.mulley.net/2008/10/08/minister-eamon-ryans-next-gen-broadband-forum-constructive-depressive-and-with-the-odd-spacer/comment-page-1/#comment-911585 Keith Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:28:46 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4637#comment-911585 I wasn't saying you *invent* a killer app. You just have to find it. "The Internet" obviously hasn't been it yet, because people aren't banging down their TDs' doors demanding to know why there's no 1Gbps internet connection available to their house. It's a sales point to convince the country that fibre-ing up the country is more important than building a major motorway. It'll cost the same (Mark Kellett recently estimated it at €2bn). I wasn’t saying you *invent* a killer app. You just have to find it. “The Internet” obviously hasn’t been it yet, because people aren’t banging down their TDs’ doors demanding to know why there’s no 1Gbps internet connection available to their house.
It’s a sales point to convince the country that fibre-ing up the country is more important than building a major motorway. It’ll cost the same (Mark Kellett recently estimated it at €2bn).

]]> By: tipster http://www.mulley.net/2008/10/08/minister-eamon-ryans-next-gen-broadband-forum-constructive-depressive-and-with-the-odd-spacer/comment-page-1/#comment-911582 tipster Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:06:16 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4637#comment-911582 I think that's what Assistant Secretaries are for. Six or seven years ago I represented an NGO at a similar style of exercise the Department of Education organised on its role in the National Anti-Povery Strategy. The common theme coming out of the contributions was that expenditure on educational disavantage -- from pre-school right through to university -- needed to be hugely increased. At the closing plenary, the Dept's A.S. -- who had reently moved in from the Department of Defence -- "summed up" the content of the discussion by saying that clearly the biggest message coming through from the NGOs was that the Department needed to get "more bang for its buck". The message of "more buck" was ignored. (Not just in the summary but in the decisions the Department took afterwards in everything except disability, where it was being ground down by legal cases, and for students who did not have fluent English, where it was being ground down by school principals constantly harassing them for more spondulicks.) I think that’s what Assistant Secretaries are for. Six or seven years ago I represented an NGO at a similar style of exercise the Department of Education organised on its role in the National Anti-Povery Strategy. The common theme coming out of the contributions was that expenditure on educational disavantage — from pre-school right through to university — needed to be hugely increased. At the closing plenary, the Dept’s A.S. — who had reently moved in from the Department of Defence — “summed up” the content of the discussion by saying that clearly the biggest message coming through from the NGOs was that the Department needed to get “more bang for its buck”. The message of “more buck” was ignored. (Not just in the summary but in the decisions the Department took afterwards in everything except disability, where it was being ground down by legal cases, and for students who did not have fluent English, where it was being ground down by school principals constantly harassing them for more spondulicks.)

]]> By: jbkenn http://www.mulley.net/2008/10/08/minister-eamon-ryans-next-gen-broadband-forum-constructive-depressive-and-with-the-odd-spacer/comment-page-1/#comment-911577 jbkenn Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:23:31 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4637#comment-911577 Mission accomplished, being "seen to be doing something" Report back in 3 months?, budget next week, severe pain for all, by the time they report back, if it has'nt slipped their mind, most people will be more concerned about how they will keep an ar$e in their trousers, than NGN. The killer app for water... coffee... a mug of Java... sitting down to your computer, with NGN broadband Mission accomplished, being “seen to be doing something”
Report back in 3 months?, budget next week, severe pain for all, by the time they report back, if it has’nt slipped their mind, most people will be more concerned about how they will keep an ar$e in their trousers, than NGN.

The killer app for water… coffee… a mug of Java… sitting down to your computer, with NGN broadband

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