Comments on: Data Protection Commissioner Office – We’re FOI excempt, so screw you http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/25/data-protection-commissioner-office-were-foi-excempt-so-screw-you/ Invisible people have invisible rights Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:55:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Suzy http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/25/data-protection-commissioner-office-were-foi-excempt-so-screw-you/comment-page-1/#comment-910094 Suzy Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:39:11 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4025#comment-910094 Wear your paranoia proudly Cian!! Wear your paranoia proudly Cian!!

]]> By: Cian http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/25/data-protection-commissioner-office-were-foi-excempt-so-screw-you/comment-page-1/#comment-910092 Cian Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:31:23 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4025#comment-910092 My inner paranoia says it's so the Government can shape the bodies more to their liking under the guise of cutting costs. My inner paranoia says it’s so the Government can shape the bodies more to their liking under the guise of cutting costs.

]]> By: Suzy http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/25/data-protection-commissioner-office-were-foi-excempt-so-screw-you/comment-page-1/#comment-910090 Suzy Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:58:34 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4025#comment-910090 Would love to hear some opinions on the point/efficacy of merging the DPC with IHRC and the Equality Authority??? Would love to hear some opinions on the point/efficacy of merging the DPC with IHRC and the Equality Authority???

]]> By: Cian http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/25/data-protection-commissioner-office-were-foi-excempt-so-screw-you/comment-page-1/#comment-910086 Cian Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:58:50 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4025#comment-910086 Indeed, but because it is a combination of these high-profile agencies it will be harder to simply put the process off for a long time. Indeed, but because it is a combination of these high-profile agencies it will be harder to simply put the process off for a long time.

]]> By: Damian O'Broin http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/25/data-protection-commissioner-office-were-foi-excempt-so-screw-you/comment-page-1/#comment-910083 Damian O'Broin Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:21:42 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4025#comment-910083 I suspect that as it will be a 'new' body it will require a ministerial order before it falls under FOI, in which case I'm sure it's take quite a while for the Minister to get around to it... I suspect that as it will be a ‘new’ body it will require a ministerial order before it falls under FOI, in which case I’m sure it’s take quite a while for the Minister to get around to it…

]]> By: Cian http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/25/data-protection-commissioner-office-were-foi-excempt-so-screw-you/comment-page-1/#comment-910081 Cian Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:02:47 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4025#comment-910081 Maybe the new suggested quango merging the Data Protection Commissioner, the National Disability Authority, the Equality Authority, the Equality Tribunal, and the Human Rights Commission will be a part of FoI? Maybe the new suggested quango merging the Data Protection Commissioner, the National Disability Authority, the Equality Authority, the Equality Tribunal, and the Human Rights Commission will be a part of FoI?

]]> By: David http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/25/data-protection-commissioner-office-were-foi-excempt-so-screw-you/comment-page-1/#comment-910073 David Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:52:08 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4025#comment-910073 That's interesting, in light of other high profile audits by the Data Commissioner (IBTS, Social Welfare etc) you might think BOI would play along and publish the report. Afterall, the report will only assure BOI customers that their personal data is held securely and the laptops incident was a once off, wouldn't it? It's in every customers interest to see that report. And personally, if I was one of their customers (which I'm not,thanfully) I would be demanding it directly from BOI not the Commissioner. Incidentally, only Gov Depts like county councils and the like need to comply with FOI. You can find the full Data Commissioner report on the Welfare audit on both welfare's site and the Commissioners here. http://www.welfare.ie/topics/ODPCReport.pdf That’s interesting, in light of other high profile audits by the Data Commissioner (IBTS, Social Welfare etc) you might think BOI would play along and publish the report.

Afterall, the report will only assure BOI customers that their personal data is held securely and the laptops incident was a once off, wouldn’t it?

It’s in every customers interest to see that report. And personally, if I was one of their customers (which I’m not,thanfully) I would be demanding it directly from BOI not the Commissioner.

Incidentally, only Gov Depts like county councils and the like need to comply with FOI.

You can find the full Data Commissioner report on the Welfare audit on both welfare’s site and the Commissioners here.

http://www.welfare.ie/topics/ODPCReport.pdf

]]> By: Damian O'Broin http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/25/data-protection-commissioner-office-were-foi-excempt-so-screw-you/comment-page-1/#comment-910070 Damian O'Broin Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:23:30 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4025#comment-910070 Fair enough I suppose. But what's needed is universal application (and automatic extension) of FOI across all statutory bodies. And that's down to the government. Fair enough I suppose. But what’s needed is universal application (and automatic extension) of FOI across all statutory bodies. And that’s down to the government.

]]> By: Damien http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/25/data-protection-commissioner-office-were-foi-excempt-so-screw-you/comment-page-1/#comment-910069 Damien Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:16:07 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4025#comment-910069 No Damian, my beef is with the the DPC because other Departments and orgs will give you information and detailed information at that without you having to go via FOI. It's all down to the attitude of the DPC. It shouldn't be up to the Minister for Finance to make the DPC open. Ironically they tout on their site that they are all for reusing and making public of information that they've created. No Damian, my beef is with the the DPC because other Departments and orgs will give you information and detailed information at that without you having to go via FOI.

It’s all down to the attitude of the DPC. It shouldn’t be up to the Minister for Finance to make the DPC open. Ironically they tout on their site that they are all for reusing and making public of information that they’ve created.

]]> By: Damian O'Broin http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/25/data-protection-commissioner-office-were-foi-excempt-so-screw-you/comment-page-1/#comment-910067 Damian O'Broin Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:58:37 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=4025#comment-910067 Damien, while it's annoying that the DPC won't release the info, they are perfectly entitled not to. And because FOI doesn't apply, they're not going to - that was the whole point of FOI, to compel our state services to be open. But the real problem isn't the DPC, it's the Minister for Finance who has failed to extend the FOI to new quangos and statutory bodies. Basically, what our lovely leaders have done to restrict FOI is, as new quangos appear, they haven't signed the required Ministerial order to extend the act. FOI is, so to speak, an opt-in service. So your beef is with Mr Lenihan and his predecesors, who at a stroke could change the rules. Damien, while it’s annoying that the DPC won’t release the info, they are perfectly entitled not to. And because FOI doesn’t apply, they’re not going to – that was the whole point of FOI, to compel our state services to be open. But the real problem isn’t the DPC, it’s the Minister for Finance who has failed to extend the FOI to new quangos and statutory bodies. Basically, what our lovely leaders have done to restrict FOI is, as new quangos appear, they haven’t signed the required Ministerial order to extend the act. FOI is, so to speak, an opt-in service. So your beef is with Mr Lenihan and his predecesors, who at a stroke could change the rules.

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