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	<title>Comments on: Online Marketing &#8211; The Art of being Subtle</title>
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		<title>By: smemon</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/21/online-marketing-the-art-of-being-subtle/comment-page-1/#comment-909457</link>
		<dc:creator>smemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fair enough, i know where you&#039;re coming from but i guess i&#039;ve a more relaxed attitude towards this sort of stuff... 

we really need a site like http://dellideastorm.com/ dedicated to blogging and to form a code of ethics out of it... that way we&#039;re all on a level playing surface with the same rules :mrgreen:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fair enough, i know where you&#8217;re coming from but i guess i&#8217;ve a more relaxed attitude towards this sort of stuff&#8230; </p>
<p>we really need a site like <a href="http://dellideastorm.com/" rel="nofollow">http://dellideastorm.com/</a> dedicated to blogging and to form a code of ethics out of it&#8230; that way we&#8217;re all on a level playing surface with the same rules <img src='http://www.mulley.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/21/online-marketing-the-art-of-being-subtle/comment-page-1/#comment-909454</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we have different views of what lieing and dishonesty are. Each to their own</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we have different views of what lieing and dishonesty are. Each to their own</p>
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		<title>By: smemon</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/21/online-marketing-the-art-of-being-subtle/comment-page-1/#comment-909453</link>
		<dc:creator>smemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@damien there&#039;s a difference between &#039;lie&#039; and &#039;review&#039; - i&#039;ve never lied online... not suggesting i do it offline btw! 

I&#039;ll quite often review a site without payment and rarely will i attack any site or blogger without very good reason - it doesn&#039;t benefit anyone only the site you&#039;re blogging about unless of course it&#039;s linkbait tactics designed to provoke a reaction... had you not posted about chris brogan, i would never have found his blog.

I agree with all his points bar 3 and 4. Regarding twitter/stumbling/digging etc... your own work i see nothing wrong with it provided you&#039;re an active member there - active meaning you use the site on a daily basis.

I rely on twitter auto posts to read many blogs as my RSS reader is crammed full with stuff that gets burried. If i get a shout on digg i might check it out if i happen to be on the site... i don&#039;t mind that... it&#039;s not as if anyone is selling anything to me or begging.

Yeah there&#039;s clowns who take it to the extreme, sign up with multiple accounts on different networks and just spam the hell out of everyone but they&#039;re found out eventually. When they are, that&#039;s what the unsubscribe or &#039;x&#039; buttons are for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@damien there&#8217;s a difference between &#8216;lie&#8217; and &#8216;review&#8217; &#8211; i&#8217;ve never lied online&#8230; not suggesting i do it offline btw! </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll quite often review a site without payment and rarely will i attack any site or blogger without very good reason &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t benefit anyone only the site you&#8217;re blogging about unless of course it&#8217;s linkbait tactics designed to provoke a reaction&#8230; had you not posted about chris brogan, i would never have found his blog.</p>
<p>I agree with all his points bar 3 and 4. Regarding twitter/stumbling/digging etc&#8230; your own work i see nothing wrong with it provided you&#8217;re an active member there &#8211; active meaning you use the site on a daily basis.</p>
<p>I rely on twitter auto posts to read many blogs as my RSS reader is crammed full with stuff that gets burried. If i get a shout on digg i might check it out if i happen to be on the site&#8230; i don&#8217;t mind that&#8230; it&#8217;s not as if anyone is selling anything to me or begging.</p>
<p>Yeah there&#8217;s clowns who take it to the extreme, sign up with multiple accounts on different networks and just spam the hell out of everyone but they&#8217;re found out eventually. When they are, that&#8217;s what the unsubscribe or &#8216;x&#8217; buttons are for.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Geraghty</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/21/online-marketing-the-art-of-being-subtle/comment-page-1/#comment-909450</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Geraghty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a excellent blog entry if I must say so! Professionals hardly still think like this do they? I must add that I have unsubscribed from a lot of blogs because the blogger was too active, with several entries a day, with none being particularly interesting. If I miss even 3 days though my feed reader is giving me the dreadful &quot;All Items - 1000+&quot; though! Perhaps I&#039;m missing out, but I don&#039;t have all day for reading feeds!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a excellent blog entry if I must say so! Professionals hardly still think like this do they? I must add that I have unsubscribed from a lot of blogs because the blogger was too active, with several entries a day, with none being particularly interesting. If I miss even 3 days though my feed reader is giving me the dreadful &#8220;All Items &#8211; 1000+&#8221; though! Perhaps I&#8217;m missing out, but I don&#8217;t have all day for reading feeds!</p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/21/online-marketing-the-art-of-being-subtle/comment-page-1/#comment-909449</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to generalise a whole race there. Your record rewards you with nothing more the minimum amount of my time. I&#039;ll happily engage with people that don&#039;t take money to lie online though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to generalise a whole race there. Your record rewards you with nothing more the minimum amount of my time. I&#8217;ll happily engage with people that don&#8217;t take money to lie online though.</p>
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		<title>By: smemon</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/21/online-marketing-the-art-of-being-subtle/comment-page-1/#comment-909448</link>
		<dc:creator>smemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t smoke - my PPP earnings can&#039;t cover the cost :mrgreen: 

gotta love the way you encourage debate and comments then try to chop them down with a one liner - the irish way of doing things :cool:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t smoke &#8211; my PPP earnings can&#8217;t cover the cost <img src='http://www.mulley.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>gotta love the way you encourage debate and comments then try to chop them down with a one liner &#8211; the irish way of doing things <img src='http://www.mulley.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt=':cool:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/21/online-marketing-the-art-of-being-subtle/comment-page-1/#comment-909446</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the Pay Per Post kid! Hello!

Found any fag butts on the street you can get an extra toke or two from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the Pay Per Post kid! Hello!</p>
<p>Found any fag butts on the street you can get an extra toke or two from?</p>
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		<title>By: smemon</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/21/online-marketing-the-art-of-being-subtle/comment-page-1/#comment-909443</link>
		<dc:creator>smemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That ifoods.tv thing - that&#039;s not on... that&#039;s crossing the line.

But there&#039;s a huge difference between that and leaving a comment on someone&#039;s blog. Even if it is spam-type comment designed just to gain traffic, how does the owner know that? You can&#039;t tell what someone is thinking when they write comment... for all you know this comment could be automated or i could have copied pasted it from another blog or something...

Does the owner just lock down comments all together?

Also, have to disagree on the whole &#039;making money from a blog is evil&#039; thing. If a blogger writes solely for cash or gives up when they learn they can&#039;t make money overnight - that&#039;s a problem... that&#039;s not good... that&#039;s not a real blogger.

But if you have people who will blog regardless of whether they make money or not - you can&#039;t put them in the same bracket. 

Blogs are not all just personal diaries - those days are long dead. In some cases, they are full time jobs and successful businesses and it&#039;s a bit like kids and footballers - they all want to be footballers because they see the glamour, hype and money flying about. 99% won&#039;t make it - but you don&#039;t tell them they&#039;re shite or they&#039;ll never make it or what they&#039;re doing is stupid etc...

You could destroy the confidence and dreams of one gem of a kid who had the potential to make it big but because of bullying or people telling them they&#039;d get nowhere they end up nowhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That ifoods.tv thing &#8211; that&#8217;s not on&#8230; that&#8217;s crossing the line.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s a huge difference between that and leaving a comment on someone&#8217;s blog. Even if it is spam-type comment designed just to gain traffic, how does the owner know that? You can&#8217;t tell what someone is thinking when they write comment&#8230; for all you know this comment could be automated or i could have copied pasted it from another blog or something&#8230;</p>
<p>Does the owner just lock down comments all together?</p>
<p>Also, have to disagree on the whole &#8216;making money from a blog is evil&#8217; thing. If a blogger writes solely for cash or gives up when they learn they can&#8217;t make money overnight &#8211; that&#8217;s a problem&#8230; that&#8217;s not good&#8230; that&#8217;s not a real blogger.</p>
<p>But if you have people who will blog regardless of whether they make money or not &#8211; you can&#8217;t put them in the same bracket. </p>
<p>Blogs are not all just personal diaries &#8211; those days are long dead. In some cases, they are full time jobs and successful businesses and it&#8217;s a bit like kids and footballers &#8211; they all want to be footballers because they see the glamour, hype and money flying about. 99% won&#8217;t make it &#8211; but you don&#8217;t tell them they&#8217;re shite or they&#8217;ll never make it or what they&#8217;re doing is stupid etc&#8230;</p>
<p>You could destroy the confidence and dreams of one gem of a kid who had the potential to make it big but because of bullying or people telling them they&#8217;d get nowhere they end up nowhere.</p>
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		<title>By: karl deeter</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/21/online-marketing-the-art-of-being-subtle/comment-page-1/#comment-909436</link>
		<dc:creator>karl deeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think sometimes a popular blog is not easily defined, much the same as music, we know what we like but can&#039;t say it follows a certain &#039;formula&#039;. 

some people just have to accept their blog sucks (i have personally crossed that rubicon and am a happier blogger for it) or that it will only ever have a niche readership. 

People (most of em&#039;) are not morons and they know when they are being marketed too which kind of defeats a large portion of what blogging is about. 

agree with MJ, people need edumacation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think sometimes a popular blog is not easily defined, much the same as music, we know what we like but can&#8217;t say it follows a certain &#8216;formula&#8217;. </p>
<p>some people just have to accept their blog sucks (i have personally crossed that rubicon and am a happier blogger for it) or that it will only ever have a niche readership. </p>
<p>People (most of em&#8217;) are not morons and they know when they are being marketed too which kind of defeats a large portion of what blogging is about. </p>
<p>agree with MJ, people need edumacation</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/08/21/online-marketing-the-art-of-being-subtle/comment-page-1/#comment-909435</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A learning experience, as always Mr Mulley. Followed your link to the joker&#039;s site, read the comments.

Look what I just had to look up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette just in cases ;)  Thought I would share the link with anyone else who cares to edumacate themselves.  

*shakes ever so slightly in the corner in case she&#039;s been getting anything wrong...*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A learning experience, as always Mr Mulley. Followed your link to the joker&#8217;s site, read the comments.</p>
<p>Look what I just had to look up: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette</a> just in cases <img src='http://www.mulley.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   Thought I would share the link with anyone else who cares to edumacate themselves.  </p>
<p>*shakes ever so slightly in the corner in case she&#8217;s been getting anything wrong&#8230;*</p>
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