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	<title>Comments on: Green TD Paul Gogarty: Clap harder gays clap harder</title>
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	<description>Invisible people have invisible rights</description>
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		<title>By: How the campaign is being lost - according to the Greens &#124; Maman Poulet</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/04/20/green-td-paul-gogarty-clap-harder-gays-clap-harder/comment-page-1/#comment-733957</link>
		<dc:creator>How the campaign is being lost - according to the Greens &#124; Maman Poulet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] rights. Paul Gogarty TD and chairperson of the party delves into comment&#8217;s on Damiens recent post to clarify the reported comments to constituents and others regarding how the campaign is being won [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] rights. Paul Gogarty TD and chairperson of the party delves into comment&#8217;s on Damiens recent post to clarify the reported comments to constituents and others regarding how the campaign is being won [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/04/20/green-td-paul-gogarty-clap-harder-gays-clap-harder/comment-page-1/#comment-733528</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I totally agree on the marches bit at least. But you can't be gay without some kind of parade can you? 

Could the Greens themselves not organise this whole letter writing campaign themselves though or facilitate it?

Now I better go eat some non-organic piece of veal for balance things out after agreeing with a Green.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I totally agree on the marches bit at least. But you can&#8217;t be gay without some kind of parade can you? </p>
<p>Could the Greens themselves not organise this whole letter writing campaign themselves though or facilitate it?</p>
<p>Now I better go eat some non-organic piece of veal for balance things out after agreeing with a Green.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Mulley &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Green Party TD Paul Gogarty responds and an apology to him</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/04/20/green-td-paul-gogarty-clap-harder-gays-clap-harder/comment-page-1/#comment-733525</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien Mulley &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Green Party TD Paul Gogarty responds and an apology to him</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you may want to subscribe to my site using a feedreader or email. Thanks for visiting - Damien.So apologies to Deputy Gogarty for comments wrongly attributed to him which incorrectly said gay people need to contact the Green [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you may want to subscribe to my site using a feedreader or email. Thanks for visiting - Damien.So apologies to Deputy Gogarty for comments wrongly attributed to him which incorrectly said gay people need to contact the Green [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Gogarty TD</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/04/20/green-td-paul-gogarty-clap-harder-gays-clap-harder/comment-page-1/#comment-733522</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Gogarty TD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marches don't work. What does work is individual TDs and Councillors worried that they might lose their seat over an issue because enough people contact them locally to get them worried.


I reckon you need about 500 people living in the one area to individually start moving on the issue. That is why friends and relatives are essential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marches don&#8217;t work. What does work is individual TDs and Councillors worried that they might lose their seat over an issue because enough people contact them locally to get them worried.</p>
<p>I reckon you need about 500 people living in the one area to individually start moving on the issue. That is why friends and relatives are essential.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Synnott</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/04/20/green-td-paul-gogarty-clap-harder-gays-clap-harder/comment-page-1/#comment-733517</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Synnott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, funny, I seem to remember marches on Leinster House and so forth. I suppose I was hallucinating...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, funny, I seem to remember marches on Leinster House and so forth. I suppose I was hallucinating&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Gogarty TD</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/04/20/green-td-paul-gogarty-clap-harder-gays-clap-harder/comment-page-1/#comment-733503</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Gogarty TD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Text of one e-mail I replied to FYI:

Dear ( )
 
This [Bill]  is not going to be put off indefinately. My colleague Ciaran Cuffe, our Justice Spokesperson, is very much involved in working behind the scenes to ensure maximum gains when the bill goes before the Oireachtas. The wording is, I understand, almost finalised. I would assume that any wording will be checked with the Attorney-General before going forward. I have no doubt that the Bill will be brought forward and can then be further amended if required (and if the political will exists to do so). We are not fully happy with what is proposed at present, but are satisfied that it addresses pretty much all of the issues.
 
On a separate note, although I am not Spokesperson for this area, I do recall that our Leader John Gormley asked members of the Irish Gay and Lesbian Community at a special reception to get active on this issue and put pressure on Fianna Fail in particular. This has not happened.
 
I think that pressure applied in the right places by Gay and non-Gay voters could have a tremendous effect. With the Green Party you are speaking to the fully converted, but not everyone is of the same mind.
 
Best wishes,
 
Paul Gogarty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Text of one e-mail I replied to FYI:</p>
<p>Dear ( )</p>
<p>This [Bill]  is not going to be put off indefinately. My colleague Ciaran Cuffe, our Justice Spokesperson, is very much involved in working behind the scenes to ensure maximum gains when the bill goes before the Oireachtas. The wording is, I understand, almost finalised. I would assume that any wording will be checked with the Attorney-General before going forward. I have no doubt that the Bill will be brought forward and can then be further amended if required (and if the political will exists to do so). We are not fully happy with what is proposed at present, but are satisfied that it addresses pretty much all of the issues.</p>
<p>On a separate note, although I am not Spokesperson for this area, I do recall that our Leader John Gormley asked members of the Irish Gay and Lesbian Community at a special reception to get active on this issue and put pressure on Fianna Fail in particular. This has not happened.</p>
<p>I think that pressure applied in the right places by Gay and non-Gay voters could have a tremendous effect. With the Green Party you are speaking to the fully converted, but not everyone is of the same mind.</p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Paul Gogarty</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Gogarty TD</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/04/20/green-td-paul-gogarty-clap-harder-gays-clap-harder/comment-page-1/#comment-733498</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Gogarty TD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical selective politically-motivated drivel here.

My message pointed out that the Green Party was fully on board but Fianna Fail representatives were the ones that needed to be convinced.

So far there has been no evidence of a campaign by the Gay community and their friends and families to put pressure on this reactionary conservative grouping.

No point in preaching to the converted and then cursing them for trying to be helpful. We are doing our best. But Government is made up of several parties and FF is the biggest by far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical selective politically-motivated drivel here.</p>
<p>My message pointed out that the Green Party was fully on board but Fianna Fail representatives were the ones that needed to be convinced.</p>
<p>So far there has been no evidence of a campaign by the Gay community and their friends and families to put pressure on this reactionary conservative grouping.</p>
<p>No point in preaching to the converted and then cursing them for trying to be helpful. We are doing our best. But Government is made up of several parties and FF is the biggest by far.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Synnott</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/04/20/green-td-paul-gogarty-clap-harder-gays-clap-harder/comment-page-1/#comment-730602</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Synnott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to suspect that 'political reality' here means "well, you know, we've got to suck up to Fianna Fail; what on Earth would we do without our TD salaries?! And unlimited travel expense claims don't grow on trees, you know!".

Call me cynical, but so far the Greens actually seem to be outperforming FF on the amorality scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to suspect that &#8216;political reality&#8217; here means &#8220;well, you know, we&#8217;ve got to suck up to Fianna Fail; what on Earth would we do without our TD salaries?! And unlimited travel expense claims don&#8217;t grow on trees, you know!&#8221;.</p>
<p>Call me cynical, but so far the Greens actually seem to be outperforming FF on the amorality scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/04/20/green-td-paul-gogarty-clap-harder-gays-clap-harder/comment-page-1/#comment-730587</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Political reality, a phrase used more and more by the Greens as they fuck over people and go back on even more of their policies. Read what Suzy wrote and go to her blog about her meeting with the Greens about equal rights and thevery subject Gogarty has no idea about. Gogarty obviously hasn't any kind of clue and decided to say something both obnoxious and moronic to get the person to go away. It's a complete insult to tell gay people they need to make more noise when they've been doing it nonstop. I'm sure next Gogarty will say it's not the right type of noise and then he'll qualify it again and again. How about growing a pair instead of blaming Fianna FÃ¡il for a Green TD being an ignorant prick?

Lastly, be a good chap and read the post I linked to first where the poster named Paul Gogarty as being the dipshit TD that made the moronic comment and the second link where the poster corrected themselves from an earlier posting where they said a Labour TD said this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Political reality, a phrase used more and more by the Greens as they fuck over people and go back on even more of their policies. Read what Suzy wrote and go to her blog about her meeting with the Greens about equal rights and thevery subject Gogarty has no idea about. Gogarty obviously hasn&#8217;t any kind of clue and decided to say something both obnoxious and moronic to get the person to go away. It&#8217;s a complete insult to tell gay people they need to make more noise when they&#8217;ve been doing it nonstop. I&#8217;m sure next Gogarty will say it&#8217;s not the right type of noise and then he&#8217;ll qualify it again and again. How about growing a pair instead of blaming Fianna FÃ¡il for a Green TD being an ignorant prick?</p>
<p>Lastly, be a good chap and read the post I linked to first where the poster named Paul Gogarty as being the dipshit TD that made the moronic comment and the second link where the poster corrected themselves from an earlier posting where they said a Labour TD said this.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Synnott</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/04/20/green-td-paul-gogarty-clap-harder-gays-clap-harder/comment-page-1/#comment-730568</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Synnott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, if we are allegedly a modern secular European society, it bloody should be easy. Decades-long fights should not be required for what most Western European societies seem to have decided is only just.

Quite frankly, after hearing Sargent attempt to debate in Trinity (for a value of 'debate' involving refusal to actually address issues and scare-mongering), I haven't trusted the Greens an inch. Looks like I was right...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, if we are allegedly a modern secular European society, it bloody should be easy. Decades-long fights should not be required for what most Western European societies seem to have decided is only just.</p>
<p>Quite frankly, after hearing Sargent attempt to debate in Trinity (for a value of &#8216;debate&#8217; involving refusal to actually address issues and scare-mongering), I haven&#8217;t trusted the Greens an inch. Looks like I was right&#8230;</p>
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