Comments on: The social network is us http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/ Invisible people have invisible rights Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:55:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Jaiku is Luxembourg, Let’s All Move to Luxembourg : Alexia Golez http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/comment-page-1/#comment-692562 Jaiku is Luxembourg, Let’s All Move to Luxembourg : Alexia Golez Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:01:51 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/#comment-692562 [...] Damien raises an interesting point about Jaiku and something that I’ve been trumpeting over the last six months or so. It’s all about where the conversation is happening. And right now, that’s on Twitter.The Jaiku Irish contingent can complain, but even their admitting that Twitter is beating Jaiku when it comes to the range and depth of contacts. How? Well, aren’t they the ones that are painfully kicking off this Twitter v Jaiku discussion at least once a week? Over on Twitter, amongst my list of contacts I don’t hear similar moans. As I said, Jaiku is the Luxembourg of microblogging. It may have superior features, but who wants to up roots and move their permanently?  [...] [...] Damien raises an interesting point about Jaiku and something that I’ve been trumpeting over the last six months or so. It’s all about where the conversation is happening. And right now, that’s on Twitter.The Jaiku Irish contingent can complain, but even their admitting that Twitter is beating Jaiku when it comes to the range and depth of contacts. How? Well, aren’t they the ones that are painfully kicking off this Twitter v Jaiku discussion at least once a week? Over on Twitter, amongst my list of contacts I don’t hear similar moans. As I said, Jaiku is the Luxembourg of microblogging. It may have superior features, but who wants to up roots and move their permanently?  [...]

]]> By: Neal McQuaid http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/comment-page-1/#comment-691197 Neal McQuaid Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:33:48 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/#comment-691197 Ah, an issue close to my heart at one point :) Some of it is inertia from the public regarding the knowledge of making their phone do more (how many people do you know that just wants a phone that calls and texts?), some of it is a complete lack of enthusiasm from the mobile telcos. After working with one of the Big Two mobile groups in Ireland, I spent 6 months from mid 2006 onwards trying to get people there into the idea of Jaiku and it's presence-based system. I was in the R&D department and it STILL took me over 5 weeks to persuade 15 people to sign up and try it out. And we had unlimited data plans and free bills for testing so couldn't even use the excuse that it was too expensive back then (about 10MB a month for Jaiku if you've the presence app installed if I remember correctly). Anyone I showed Jaiku on mobile to at the time thought it was the neatest thing ever however so there's hope. However, the Joe Public isn't going to try it if the mobile people aren't going to even consider it either. Having said that, once they were on the system, some of them actually saw the potential. Text, IM, Twittering/Jaiku-ing (I want Jaiku to win over, but am realistic enough that at present time, it's dead in the water - Twitter has the momentum), whatever. They're all just extensions of each other - and our social links. Part of that last sentence is also the issue - there's too many options. Add on Skype, landline voice, mobile voice, and the multitude of others I'm too lazy to write, and people just won't take to them until there's less to choose from. It's o.k. for the likes of us tech addicts. Great write-up Damien, pretty much says it all. Let's hope somebody in some company gets the ball rolling.... Ah, an issue close to my heart at one point :)

Some of it is inertia from the public regarding the knowledge of making their phone do more (how many people do you know that just wants a phone that calls and texts?), some of it is a complete lack of enthusiasm from the mobile telcos.
After working with one of the Big Two mobile groups in Ireland, I spent 6 months from mid 2006 onwards trying to get people there into the idea of Jaiku and it’s presence-based system. I was in the R&D department and it STILL took me over 5 weeks to persuade 15 people to sign up and try it out. And we had unlimited data plans and free bills for testing so couldn’t even use the excuse that it was too expensive back then (about 10MB a month for Jaiku if you’ve the presence app installed if I remember correctly).
Anyone I showed Jaiku on mobile to at the time thought it was the neatest thing ever however so there’s hope.
However, the Joe Public isn’t going to try it if the mobile people aren’t going to even consider it either. Having said that, once they were on the system, some of them actually saw the potential.

Text, IM, Twittering/Jaiku-ing (I want Jaiku to win over, but am realistic enough that at present time, it’s dead in the water – Twitter has the momentum), whatever. They’re all just extensions of each other – and our social links.
Part of that last sentence is also the issue – there’s too many options. Add on Skype, landline voice, mobile voice, and the multitude of others I’m too lazy to write, and people just won’t take to them until there’s less to choose from. It’s o.k. for the likes of us tech addicts.

Great write-up Damien, pretty much says it all. Let’s hope somebody in some company gets the ball rolling….

]]> By: Is Jaiku your Party Room? | jaiku invites http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/comment-page-1/#comment-690262 Is Jaiku your Party Room? | jaiku invites Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:57:09 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/#comment-690262 [...] wrote a blog post about social networks today that has some interesting ideas on how people move from one network to another and how people [...] [...] wrote a blog post about social networks today that has some interesting ideas on how people move from one network to another and how people [...]

]]> By: sbdc» Blog Archive » Connecting and being social, or not. http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/comment-page-1/#comment-690225 sbdc» Blog Archive » Connecting and being social, or not. Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:26:12 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/#comment-690225 [...] Mulley mentions this in relation to Facebook in his post ‘The social network is us‘. I was asking about this the other day because one difference with Facebook is you have to [...] [...] Mulley mentions this in relation to Facebook in his post ‘The social network is us‘. I was asking about this the other day because one difference with Facebook is you have to [...]

]]> By: Clunky Flow » ‘Twitter is for the socially inept’…Or should that be Jaiku? http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/comment-page-1/#comment-689889 Clunky Flow » ‘Twitter is for the socially inept’…Or should that be Jaiku? Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:00:58 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/#comment-689889 [...] over on Jaiku on a conversational thread that spun off from something Damien Mulley said in passing here “Twitter is for the socially inept. You cant carry on any kind of conversation there, and [...] [...] over on Jaiku on a conversational thread that spun off from something Damien Mulley said in passing here “Twitter is for the socially inept. You cant carry on any kind of conversation there, and [...]

]]> By: Maman Poulet http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/comment-page-1/#comment-689829 Maman Poulet Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:14:06 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/#comment-689829 ah we are so removed from facilitated conversations or are we? Those were the days. ah we are so removed from facilitated conversations or are we? Those were the days.

]]> By: Damien http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/comment-page-1/#comment-689741 Damien Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:52:19 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/#comment-689741 It kind of proves my point alright, thanks. It kind of proves my point alright, thanks.

]]> By: Ciaran http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/comment-page-1/#comment-689707 Ciaran Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:31:38 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/#comment-689707 There is some discussion on this here that you might be interested in. http://ciaranr.jaiku.com/presence/30122048 There is some discussion on this here that you might be interested in.

http://ciaranr.jaiku.com/presence/30122048

]]> By: Niall Larkin http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/comment-page-1/#comment-689685 Niall Larkin Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:07:12 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/#comment-689685 Feeling the resonance here. Existing social networks are poor mirrors of real work interaction and autistic in the way the direct people to interact. Content is not king. Connection and communication are king. Always have been. Content is just something to talk about. The mobile phone connects and mediates communcaition, is the social tools of first resort and will have to be at the heart of a social network that not only mirrors but is a living part of the reality of ever changing dynamic social lives and relationships. You can step in as spokesperson and evaneglist for Relevant M whenever you like. I'll pay you when we take the first million ;) Feeling the resonance here. Existing social networks are poor mirrors of real work interaction and autistic in the way the direct people to interact. Content is not king. Connection and communication are king. Always have been. Content is just something to talk about. The mobile phone connects and mediates communcaition, is the social tools of first resort and will have to be at the heart of a social network that not only mirrors but is a living part of the reality of ever changing dynamic social lives and relationships.

You can step in as spokesperson and evaneglist for Relevant M whenever you like. I’ll pay you when we take the first million ;)

]]> By: Darragh http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/comment-page-1/#comment-689671 Darragh Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:53:36 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/03/27/the-social-network-is-us/#comment-689671 Excellent article Damien. Forwarded it on to a number of people. You're right about mobile web and the need to exploit it more. I'm just exploring twitter, but with sharing music, photos, qik and everything there's so much there that is still to come. I look forward to some site or service bringing all of this together. Of course it begs the question do people know what they can do with their mobiles - my guess is no. Excellent article Damien. Forwarded it on to a number of people.

You’re right about mobile web and the need to exploit it more. I’m just exploring twitter, but with sharing music, photos, qik and everything there’s so much there that is still to come. I look forward to some site or service bringing all of this together.

Of course it begs the question do people know what they can do with their mobiles – my guess is no.

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