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	<title>Comments on: Latest Fine Gael Broadband Manifesto: Blinkered, backwards, boring</title>
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		<title>By: Jim Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/29/latest-fine-gael-broadband-manifesto-blinkered-backwards-boring/comment-page-1/#comment-910072</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damien in Bullet point form can you suggest five things that would in the real world help move this debate along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damien in Bullet point form can you suggest five things that would in the real world help move this debate along.</p>
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		<title>By: James Gallagher</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/29/latest-fine-gael-broadband-manifesto-blinkered-backwards-boring/comment-page-1/#comment-598493</link>
		<dc:creator>James Gallagher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cormac, you&#039;re not going to see any more from him now that his propaganda piece has been blown apart. I think we were all supposed to fawn over FG coming out with &#039;NGN&#039;, &#039;fibre optic&#039; and such. Never mind that it was just clueless recycling of press releases already out there. Never mind that a secondary school student would have put together the same document just by reading the papers and popular blogs and sites here (no slight on students, putting this document together requires a certain amount of diligence in terms of gathering material but that&#039;s it). The simple fact is that FG like FF are hopelessly inept and simply incapable of delivering concrete strategy. None of the broadband proposals offer any deliverables. The money spent on consultants by previous governments, FG and now the clueless Ryan is utterly wasted. Why ignore proposals that have already been put forward by people who are in the very business? Why ignore the likes of Senator Shane Ross who has put together measurable objectives and deliverables to the people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cormac, you&#8217;re not going to see any more from him now that his propaganda piece has been blown apart. I think we were all supposed to fawn over FG coming out with &#8216;NGN&#8217;, &#8216;fibre optic&#8217; and such. Never mind that it was just clueless recycling of press releases already out there. Never mind that a secondary school student would have put together the same document just by reading the papers and popular blogs and sites here (no slight on students, putting this document together requires a certain amount of diligence in terms of gathering material but that&#8217;s it). The simple fact is that FG like FF are hopelessly inept and simply incapable of delivering concrete strategy. None of the broadband proposals offer any deliverables. The money spent on consultants by previous governments, FG and now the clueless Ryan is utterly wasted. Why ignore proposals that have already been put forward by people who are in the very business? Why ignore the likes of Senator Shane Ross who has put together measurable objectives and deliverables to the people?</p>
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		<title>By: Cormac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cormac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any more comment or input  from Coveney or would that be too Irish ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any more comment or input  from Coveney or would that be too Irish ???</p>
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		<title>By: barry</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/29/latest-fine-gael-broadband-manifesto-blinkered-backwards-boring/comment-page-1/#comment-586370</link>
		<dc:creator>barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On re-reading the comments on this entry, especially the comments on the comments, I have a feeling that John W****s may find some ammunition for his opinions on blogs.....

Christ, we all want better access, we all know the decision making up to now has been crap, we all know that vested interests have f****d up the situation. Now, can we not all get our collective minds and energies into gear and support a DEBATE on the subject based on intelligent assessment of what a) has to happen b) needs to happen and c) requires political movement to happen. In the comments here there is the basis for a document which should and could be EXPLAINED, for that is what is needed, to those who need to undertand the issues. Shane Ross has started the ball rolling, Coveney admits ignorance, they both need support, as well as those in Communications, ComReg, and the much maligned consultants who &#039;advise&#039; on policy. We can put forward the options and the consequences, they won&#039;t take any notice of carping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On re-reading the comments on this entry, especially the comments on the comments, I have a feeling that John W****s may find some ammunition for his opinions on blogs&#8230;..</p>
<p>Christ, we all want better access, we all know the decision making up to now has been crap, we all know that vested interests have f****d up the situation. Now, can we not all get our collective minds and energies into gear and support a DEBATE on the subject based on intelligent assessment of what a) has to happen b) needs to happen and c) requires political movement to happen. In the comments here there is the basis for a document which should and could be EXPLAINED, for that is what is needed, to those who need to undertand the issues. Shane Ross has started the ball rolling, Coveney admits ignorance, they both need support, as well as those in Communications, ComReg, and the much maligned consultants who &#8216;advise&#8217; on policy. We can put forward the options and the consequences, they won&#8217;t take any notice of carping.</p>
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		<title>By: barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been referred to already .... but...

&quot;Think of the children! Why not connect every school to the MANs outside their doors and stop providing satellite to them?&quot;

B*****x, there are a load of places where there is no infrastructure at all, never mind MANs. FG may be off the wall, but at least they are willing to open the discussion on bb.
Anyway, recent comments, which I don&#039;t think you mentioned but other blogs did, indicate that the Dept of Ed hasn&#039;t funded the proper equipment to actually use the access there is.... another story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been referred to already &#8230;. but&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Think of the children! Why not connect every school to the MANs outside their doors and stop providing satellite to them?&#8221;</p>
<p>B*****x, there are a load of places where there is no infrastructure at all, never mind MANs. FG may be off the wall, but at least they are willing to open the discussion on bb.<br />
Anyway, recent comments, which I don&#8217;t think you mentioned but other blogs did, indicate that the Dept of Ed hasn&#8217;t funded the proper equipment to actually use the access there is&#8230;. another story.</p>
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		<title>By: Cormac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cormac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the ducts in many complexes are owned by the management company / builder .

eircom does not have any legal exclusivity on ducts with eirocm hatches ...nor does ntl

I have ( in the past) run fibre through eircom hatched ducts because they are there , I had the permission of the owner of the business park, eircom grunted and said OK .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the ducts in many complexes are owned by the management company / builder .</p>
<p>eircom does not have any legal exclusivity on ducts with eirocm hatches &#8230;nor does ntl</p>
<p>I have ( in the past) run fibre through eircom hatched ducts because they are there , I had the permission of the owner of the business park, eircom grunted and said OK .</p>
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		<title>By: dax</title>
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		<dc:creator>dax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damien, 

Great topic ... And superbly &quot;apt&quot;.

The ducting to new developments and road infrastructure exists and is of excellent quality , but when you actually contact an S.P to connect they charge ridiculous rates before they can say if they can provide poor qos of  said affordable fast 1st world broadband on their terms. 

I know this from practice. 2&quot; ducting to the door 4&quot; from path 6&quot; on roadways. Your local county council will refrain for as long as possible from taking over these for unknown reasons to me (some one care to enlighten me )? 

Why do all newly layed p+t junction boxes bare the Eircom logo ( are they still state owned ... :/ ) ? 

IMHO it&#039;s not a fair market with the privately owned ducting it should be compulsory owned by a separate state body and definitely not local government ( What is it most of them actually do , I would bet there not in half the time, those that are in are afraid to make decisions afaik) no ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damien, </p>
<p>Great topic &#8230; And superbly &#8220;apt&#8221;.</p>
<p>The ducting to new developments and road infrastructure exists and is of excellent quality , but when you actually contact an S.P to connect they charge ridiculous rates before they can say if they can provide poor qos of  said affordable fast 1st world broadband on their terms. </p>
<p>I know this from practice. 2&#8243; ducting to the door 4&#8243; from path 6&#8243; on roadways. Your local county council will refrain for as long as possible from taking over these for unknown reasons to me (some one care to enlighten me )? </p>
<p>Why do all newly layed p+t junction boxes bare the Eircom logo ( are they still state owned &#8230; :/ ) ? </p>
<p>IMHO it&#8217;s not a fair market with the privately owned ducting it should be compulsory owned by a separate state body and definitely not local government ( What is it most of them actually do , I would bet there not in half the time, those that are in are afraid to make decisions afaik) no ?</p>
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		<title>By: Cormac</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/29/latest-fine-gael-broadband-manifesto-blinkered-backwards-boring/comment-page-1/#comment-582271</link>
		<dc:creator>Cormac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The blueshirts googlebombed back . expect no further interaction!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blueshirts googlebombed back . expect no further interaction!</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Mulley &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fluffy Links - Friday February the 1stest 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damien Mulley &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fluffy Links - Friday February the 1stest 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It seems when you Google for &#8220;Fine Gael Broadband&#8221;, you get this blog. No wonder FG TD and spokesperson on Communications Simon Coveney left a comment. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It seems when you Google for &#8220;Fine Gael Broadband&#8221;, you get this blog. No wonder FG TD and spokesperson on Communications Simon Coveney left a comment. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cormac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cormac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and oh dearie me, who googlebombed this ???

A search on google for Fine Gael Broadband returns 

http://www.google.ie/search?q=fine+gael+broadband&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and oh dearie me, who googlebombed this ???</p>
<p>A search on google for Fine Gael Broadband returns </p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.ie/search?q=fine+gael+broadband&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.ie/search?q=fine+gael+broadband&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a</a></p>
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