Comments on: My love of the iPhone, it grows stronger http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/ Invisible people have invisible rights Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:55:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Damien http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/comment-page-1/#comment-563027 Damien Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:25:29 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/#comment-563027 @Mark It seems that yes, you can now use your own sim but the process to do it is still messy. A more automated software hack is probably on the way though. @Mark It seems that yes, you can now use your own sim but the process to do it is still messy. A more automated software hack is probably on the way though.

]]> By: Mark http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/comment-page-1/#comment-563022 Mark Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:21:43 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/#comment-563022 Sorry to be think here Damien. This means my own sim, as if I bought any other brand of unlocked phone - no turbosim or anything required? Sorry to be think here Damien. This means my own sim, as if I bought any other brand of unlocked phone – no turbosim or anything required?

]]> By: Damien http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/comment-page-1/#comment-562995 Damien Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:57:20 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/#comment-562995 Lads, tone it down. SK is right. To get a "legit" iPhone working you have to buy the phone in the UK and then sign up for a contract which takes a lot of money from you each month. They're tied together and that is the real cost. I would not buy an iPhone in the UK and sign away my wallet for two years. Robbery. I bought the iPhone in the states and jailbroke it. As of this week there is also a software hack to get the latest phones to unlock and work on any network. Lads, tone it down. SK is right. To get a “legit” iPhone working you have to buy the phone in the UK and then sign up for a contract which takes a lot of money from you each month. They’re tied together and that is the real cost. I would not buy an iPhone in the UK and sign away my wallet for two years. Robbery.

I bought the iPhone in the states and jailbroke it. As of this week there is also a software hack to get the latest phones to unlock and work on any network.

]]> By: mj http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/comment-page-1/#comment-562979 mj Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:42:50 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/#comment-562979 SK: a business consultant for a telco equipment mfr? Wow, impressive. Not quite so clever when you've no real idea who's listening. Or whether we now wonder if you're sore because you work for a mfr who's failing to compete with the iPhone. And what does a 'business consultant' do anyway? Its a handy woolly term. The fact remains: you're an ass. A bit of disclosure would help. Is it in your employer interest to trash talk the iPhone? What does it matter who the money is paid to? (unless its not your employer) The device costs me £269 to buy. That's a good price for what I get nomatter how much the components cost. (again ignoring the fact that r&d, marketing, rent, shipping all have to be paid for). Are you sure you know anything about 'business'? Do you have any evidence that the iPhone is worse value than any comparable device? And pick your comparable device carefully. The tariff costs me £45 a month. I was previously paying Orange £70 a month for texts, data, voice. I don't care if 40% goes to Apple if I'm paying less. That's the real cost. For me the savings outweigh the costs (considering how bad 3G phones were previously - making the utility of 3G wasted). For me, the iPhone is real value and saves me lugging one of my laptops with me which was ultra useful recently when I was wandering around London. It REALLY sounds like the iPhone is affecting your bottom line. Sucks2BU! SK: a business consultant for a telco equipment mfr? Wow, impressive. Not quite so clever when you’ve no real idea who’s listening. Or whether we now wonder if you’re sore because you work for a mfr who’s failing to compete with the iPhone. And what does a ‘business consultant’ do anyway? Its a handy woolly term.

The fact remains: you’re an ass. A bit of disclosure would help. Is it in your employer interest to trash talk the iPhone?

What does it matter who the money is paid to? (unless its not your employer)

The device costs me £269 to buy. That’s a good price for what I get nomatter how much the components cost. (again ignoring the fact that r&d, marketing, rent, shipping all have to be paid for). Are you sure you know anything about ‘business’? Do you have any evidence that the iPhone is worse value than any comparable device? And pick your comparable device carefully.

The tariff costs me £45 a month. I was previously paying Orange £70 a month for texts, data, voice. I don’t care if 40% goes to Apple if I’m paying less.

That’s the real cost. For me the savings outweigh the costs (considering how bad 3G phones were previously – making the utility of 3G wasted). For me, the iPhone is real value and saves me lugging one of my laptops with me which was ultra useful recently when I was wandering around London.

It REALLY sounds like the iPhone is affecting your bottom line. Sucks2BU!

]]> By: Mark http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/comment-page-1/#comment-562937 Mark Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:06:41 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/#comment-562937 Has anyone here got a working iPhone? I'm seriously considering taking the plunge and buying one. If I do, can someone tell me, 1. Can it be jailbroken free of charge? 2. Once it is can I use my regular Voda sim in it. 3. Does it have all the functionality of a proper US/UK/German/French iPhone (up to the latest jailbroken firmware?) 4. Will it function as normal with iTunes etc. Basically, I am right in saying the only drawback is that you can't update your firmware 'officially' when Apple release an update. That you'll always be that few weeks/days/hours behind official phones while waiting for the latest updates to be cracked? Can iTunes spot that it's jailbroken and lock it down? etc etc - Any help greatly appreciated. Has anyone here got a working iPhone? I’m seriously considering taking the plunge and buying one. If I do, can someone tell me, 1. Can it be jailbroken free of charge? 2. Once it is can I use my regular Voda sim in it. 3. Does it have all the functionality of a proper US/UK/German/French iPhone (up to the latest jailbroken firmware?) 4. Will it function as normal with iTunes etc.
Basically, I am right in saying the only drawback is that you can’t update your firmware ‘officially’ when Apple release an update. That you’ll always be that few weeks/days/hours behind official phones while waiting for the latest updates to be cracked? Can iTunes spot that it’s jailbroken and lock it down? etc etc – Any help greatly appreciated.

]]> By: SK http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/comment-page-1/#comment-562935 SK Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:06:18 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/#comment-562935 Well MJ, I do this for a living (I am a Business Consultant for a telco equipment manufacturer) so I am pretty sure about my numbers. A contact in Vodafone Germany told me that they turned down the iPhone because of the unprecedented demand from Apple for 40% of service revenues. Over at mobile Mag they calculated the manufacturing cost of the phone to be €166, say €200 with R&D and software costs. http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/340/C11406/ So you pay the purchase price to O2, and then a big chunk of service revenue. The total comes to €800 for a €200 device. That is a 600% margin. That is price gouging in any language. And you have to be trolling to think that I would want an iPhone Well MJ, I do this for a living (I am a Business Consultant for a telco equipment manufacturer) so I am pretty sure about my numbers.

A contact in Vodafone Germany told me that they turned down the iPhone because of the unprecedented demand from Apple for 40% of service revenues.

Over at mobile Mag they calculated the manufacturing cost of the phone to be €166, say €200 with R&D and software costs.
http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/340/C11406/

So you pay the purchase price to O2, and then a big chunk of service revenue. The total comes to €800 for a €200 device.

That is a 600% margin. That is price gouging in any language.

And you have to be trolling to think that I would want an iPhone

]]> By: mj http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/comment-page-1/#comment-562786 mj Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:07:19 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/#comment-562786 SK: would 'troll' be better? The device costs you 800 quid for two years. Your margin calculation make no sense. They're inane and peculiar in the slightly embarrassing way. It doesn't help that they're made-up, i.e. Component breakdown margins never take into account details like development, testing, the rent, shipping, marketing, nevermind salaries or profit. And a software development cost of £0. Software which has been improved 3 times since release again at a cost of £0. You think you can build an iPhone for £200? I have £200 here that calls you a troll. You could just admit you want one. SK: would ‘troll’ be better?

The device costs you 800 quid for two years. Your margin calculation make no sense. They’re inane and peculiar in the slightly embarrassing way.

It doesn’t help that they’re made-up, i.e. Component breakdown margins never take into account details like development, testing, the rent, shipping, marketing, nevermind salaries or profit. And a software development cost of £0. Software which has been improved 3 times since release again at a cost of £0.

You think you can build an iPhone for £200? I have £200 here that calls you a troll.

You could just admit you want one.

]]> By: SK http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/comment-page-1/#comment-562284 SK Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:07:31 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/#comment-562284 mj, calling people name is not nice. But my calculations are for for the cost of the device - the money that goes to Apple. They get the initial £269 and 40% of the subscription cost. In the UK the cheapest plan is £35 for 18 months and not the 24 you have given. 269 + (18*35*.4) = £521 As I said £521 is what Apple are getting. The rest goes to O2. mj, calling people name is not nice.

But my calculations are for for the cost of the device – the money that goes to Apple. They get the initial £269 and 40% of the subscription cost. In the UK the cheapest plan is £35 for 18 months and not the 24 you have given.
269 + (18*35*.4) = £521

As I said £521 is what Apple are getting. The rest goes to O2.

]]> By: frankp http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/comment-page-1/#comment-562098 frankp Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:18:25 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/#comment-562098 Just as easy to whip out a laptop? Try carrying a laptop in your breast pocket and come back and report! :D Just as easy to whip out a laptop? Try carrying a laptop in your breast pocket and come back and report! :D

]]> By: monkeyleader http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/comment-page-1/#comment-561936 monkeyleader Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:53:17 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/my-love-of-the-iphone-it-grows-stronger/#comment-561936 Hang on .n95 crap ? Hmmmm ... as for "its a joy to use the internet" hang on your using it at home or in hotspots when its just as easy to whip out a laptop. Go do your internet nonsense in a non wi-fi location and tell me if its still the way the internet is supposed to be. I don't deny its a sexy looking device but already you are showing that its suitable as a mobile information device due to its lack of a high speed mobile network. Bring on the 3G iPhone ! Hang on .n95 crap ? Hmmmm … as for “its a joy to use the internet” hang on your using it at home or in hotspots when its just as easy to whip out a laptop. Go do your internet nonsense in a non wi-fi location and tell me if its still the way the internet is supposed to be.

I don’t deny its a sexy looking device but already you are showing that its suitable as a mobile information device due to its lack of a high speed mobile network.

Bring on the 3G iPhone !

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