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	<title>Comments on: How should PR companies &#8220;engage&#8221; with Irish bloggers?</title>
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		<title>By: John ONeill</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/how-should-pr-companies-engage-with-irish-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-908887</link>
		<dc:creator>John ONeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A PR company with a reputation to keep will generally be careful about who and how they approach. What bothers me most are new web startups who play dumb and just send out unsolicited garbage to me.
A good example was a mail I got from mytown.ie, you can read about it here.
http://backupanytime.com/blog/?p=122
I made a post on my blog about it and discovered I was neither the first nor the only recipeint of this non opt in, no opt out email.
I can rant. I can alert others. There isn&#039;t however much else I can do. Or is there? Any legal and reasonable suggestions welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A PR company with a reputation to keep will generally be careful about who and how they approach. What bothers me most are new web startups who play dumb and just send out unsolicited garbage to me.<br />
A good example was a mail I got from mytown.ie, you can read about it here.<br />
<a href="http://backupanytime.com/blog/?p=122" rel="nofollow">http://backupanytime.com/blog/?p=122</a><br />
I made a post on my blog about it and discovered I was neither the first nor the only recipeint of this non opt in, no opt out email.<br />
I can rant. I can alert others. There isn&#8217;t however much else I can do. Or is there? Any legal and reasonable suggestions welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Mulley &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Irish Blogger? Want to hear from PR companies?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damien Mulley &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Irish Blogger? Want to hear from PR companies?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you may want to subscribe to my site using a feedreader or email. Thanks for visiting - Damien.As mentioned previously, I met with a PR company last week and presented to them about blogs and blogging. This particular [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you may want to subscribe to my site using a feedreader or email. Thanks for visiting &#8211; Damien.As mentioned previously, I met with a PR company last week and presented to them about blogs and blogging. This particular [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Krishna De</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/how-should-pr-companies-engage-with-irish-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-563015</link>
		<dc:creator>Krishna De</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damien - I&#039;ve been speaking with a global PR firm about this subject and in fact am working with an Irish PR company over the next few months about their integration of social media marketing within their practice and how it could benfit their clients.

If you want to connect before you speak before your talk, let me know - happy to help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damien &#8211; I&#8217;ve been speaking with a global PR firm about this subject and in fact am working with an Irish PR company over the next few months about their integration of social media marketing within their practice and how it could benfit their clients.</p>
<p>If you want to connect before you speak before your talk, let me know &#8211; happy to help.</p>
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		<title>By: Trinity</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/how-should-pr-companies-engage-with-irish-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-561833</link>
		<dc:creator>Trinity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depends on the PR company and whether they are shite or not!   Blogging has become an important accessory to PR in recent years but it has to  negotiate a more intelligent conversation with everyone.  Forget about press releases, they just don&#039;t do the job anymore.  Bloggers have tremendous power to influence and shape opinions.  Approach is the big thing and a PR person should know the ins and out of a particular blogger before approaching.  At the end of the day, it&#039;s all about &#039;point of views&#039; and if a PR person can get that right at the first hurdle, I guess they are away on hack then :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends on the PR company and whether they are shite or not!   Blogging has become an important accessory to PR in recent years but it has to  negotiate a more intelligent conversation with everyone.  Forget about press releases, they just don&#8217;t do the job anymore.  Bloggers have tremendous power to influence and shape opinions.  Approach is the big thing and a PR person should know the ins and out of a particular blogger before approaching.  At the end of the day, it&#8217;s all about &#8216;point of views&#8217; and if a PR person can get that right at the first hurdle, I guess they are away on hack then <img src='http://www.mulley.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Orlaith</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/how-should-pr-companies-engage-with-irish-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-561632</link>
		<dc:creator>Orlaith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Branedy&#039;s comment throws up an important issue. A lot of bloggers have a very dim view of PR and have little or no grasp of its value in developing effective communication strategies. The common perception is that PR is all about spin and puff propaganda. This view is obviously formed from bitter experience, or perhaps its just a stereotype, or a bit of both. 

All things considered, I think it&#039;s quite brave of the PR companies out there who are looking to foray into the blogosphere but they are mistaken if they think it will automatically win them friends and help them influence people. It would be disingenuous for any PR company to think they can mollify opinions, steer editorial policy, and see short term results for their clients. I agree with Branedy, it needs to be based on an honest interchange of ideas not driven by self-interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Branedy&#8217;s comment throws up an important issue. A lot of bloggers have a very dim view of PR and have little or no grasp of its value in developing effective communication strategies. The common perception is that PR is all about spin and puff propaganda. This view is obviously formed from bitter experience, or perhaps its just a stereotype, or a bit of both. </p>
<p>All things considered, I think it&#8217;s quite brave of the PR companies out there who are looking to foray into the blogosphere but they are mistaken if they think it will automatically win them friends and help them influence people. It would be disingenuous for any PR company to think they can mollify opinions, steer editorial policy, and see short term results for their clients. I agree with Branedy, it needs to be based on an honest interchange of ideas not driven by self-interest.</p>
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		<title>By: nouns</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/how-should-pr-companies-engage-with-irish-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-561617</link>
		<dc:creator>nouns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depends. If you have publishing deadlines then potential topics that are pushed towards you are definitely a good thing. If you don&#039;t but the releases are still relevant to your interests, keep them coming. Like Kirstie, I&#039;m kinda professionally used to it, and filter and delete releases without thinking about it. I would probably feel quite differently if I wasn&#039;t used to this and suddenly found myself being solicited by PR people in the lazy, lazy way outlined in the post on that mom-blog.

The attitude inherent in that - they&#039;re bloggers so we don&#039;t have to work as hard / they&#039;ll be grateful to get a bit of free swag - is guaranteed to get personal bloggers&#039; backs up. They&#039;re not working to a publishing deadline. 

Journos can complain (rightly) about getting spammed with irrelevant releases, but they&#039;ll all admit that info in releases has helped them fill inches. 

As regards the content of releases and its accuracy, &#039;question everything&#039; is a good rule of thumb. It&#039;s the PR people who take the blame for non-news releases, but in my experience this is usually the client&#039;s fault. More PR people should explain the principle of &#039;if you don&#039;t have anything to say, don&#039;t say anything&#039; to their clients.

Finally, as someone whose business card usually has some combination of &#039;communications&#039; / &#039;marketing&#039; / &#039;strategy&#039; on it, I&#039;m glad to see you put quotation marks around &quot;engage&quot; Damien. If PR folks do specialise in communications, and are aware that this should be a golden age allowing them to showcase their skills in starting conversations and earning the trust and respect of a whole new kind of publisher then can we stop with the antagonistic military metaphor corporate speak please? Not having a go at anyone, it&#039;s just a pet hate of mine.

I have no problem sitting in a meeting and listening to people throw ideas for engagement strategies around, but be aware that this is often the first step towards completely dehumanised communications. If working with bloggers is seen by PR people as some kind of battle in which there will inevitably be major casualties, things won&#039;t change. If bloggers are aware that this is how PR companies plan to &#039;work&#039; with them, things won&#039;t change.

@Bernie, I admire your tenacity in challenging regurgitated press releases! Who knew that 75% of companies in Ireland were world-leaders?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends. If you have publishing deadlines then potential topics that are pushed towards you are definitely a good thing. If you don&#8217;t but the releases are still relevant to your interests, keep them coming. Like Kirstie, I&#8217;m kinda professionally used to it, and filter and delete releases without thinking about it. I would probably feel quite differently if I wasn&#8217;t used to this and suddenly found myself being solicited by PR people in the lazy, lazy way outlined in the post on that mom-blog.</p>
<p>The attitude inherent in that &#8211; they&#8217;re bloggers so we don&#8217;t have to work as hard / they&#8217;ll be grateful to get a bit of free swag &#8211; is guaranteed to get personal bloggers&#8217; backs up. They&#8217;re not working to a publishing deadline. </p>
<p>Journos can complain (rightly) about getting spammed with irrelevant releases, but they&#8217;ll all admit that info in releases has helped them fill inches. </p>
<p>As regards the content of releases and its accuracy, &#8216;question everything&#8217; is a good rule of thumb. It&#8217;s the PR people who take the blame for non-news releases, but in my experience this is usually the client&#8217;s fault. More PR people should explain the principle of &#8216;if you don&#8217;t have anything to say, don&#8217;t say anything&#8217; to their clients.</p>
<p>Finally, as someone whose business card usually has some combination of &#8216;communications&#8217; / &#8216;marketing&#8217; / &#8217;strategy&#8217; on it, I&#8217;m glad to see you put quotation marks around &#8220;engage&#8221; Damien. If PR folks do specialise in communications, and are aware that this should be a golden age allowing them to showcase their skills in starting conversations and earning the trust and respect of a whole new kind of publisher then can we stop with the antagonistic military metaphor corporate speak please? Not having a go at anyone, it&#8217;s just a pet hate of mine.</p>
<p>I have no problem sitting in a meeting and listening to people throw ideas for engagement strategies around, but be aware that this is often the first step towards completely dehumanised communications. If working with bloggers is seen by PR people as some kind of battle in which there will inevitably be major casualties, things won&#8217;t change. If bloggers are aware that this is how PR companies plan to &#8216;work&#8217; with them, things won&#8217;t change.</p>
<p>@Bernie, I admire your tenacity in challenging regurgitated press releases! Who knew that 75% of companies in Ireland were world-leaders?</p>
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		<title>By: Branedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Branedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t &#039;Public Relations&#039; about establishing a &#039;relationship&#039;? Any good &#039;relationship&#039; should be on mutual trust and honest interchange of ideas and information. If &#039;PR&#039; is only about press releases and spin, how is that a relationship. Wouldn&#039;t that naturally result in interaction, as in commentary, comments and trackback often found in Blogs?

Most &#039;PR&#039; people are into coloring facts, and spinning details. This only works when they expect to never hear from nonbelievers. They will have to raise their expectations when dealing with bloggers, and expect interaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t &#8216;Public Relations&#8217; about establishing a &#8216;relationship&#8217;? Any good &#8216;relationship&#8217; should be on mutual trust and honest interchange of ideas and information. If &#8216;PR&#8217; is only about press releases and spin, how is that a relationship. Wouldn&#8217;t that naturally result in interaction, as in commentary, comments and trackback often found in Blogs?</p>
<p>Most &#8216;PR&#8217; people are into coloring facts, and spinning details. This only works when they expect to never hear from nonbelievers. They will have to raise their expectations when dealing with bloggers, and expect interaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan in Belfast</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2008/01/21/how-should-pr-companies-engage-with-irish-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-561485</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan in Belfast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PR companies need to engage with bloggers in a way that suits the medium - ie, two way communication.

Sending out a press release and hoping it gets regurgitated on a blog isn&#039;t really good enough.  Blogging&#039;s about engagement, and so they need to ask/cajole/encourage bloggers to engage with the issue/product/brand they&#039;re promoting.

So if someone blogs about books, then sending them physical books incase they&#039;d like to review them is pretty good.  Even better, if the PR firm can get the publisher to ask the author to respond to any posted review and join in the comments &quot;below the line&quot;.  Adds a lot of credibility to the review, and ups the PR impact.

Emailing someone to say there&#039;s a restaurant opening is naff.  Emailing and saying that it&#039;s opening and there&#039;s a preview evening to which you&#039;re welcome to attend as a local blogger is better.  Then taking an interest in the blogger&#039;s perceptions - likely to be a bit more random and hard to predict than a regular newspaper reviewer - is important too.

But it&#039;s a two-way engagement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PR companies need to engage with bloggers in a way that suits the medium &#8211; ie, two way communication.</p>
<p>Sending out a press release and hoping it gets regurgitated on a blog isn&#8217;t really good enough.  Blogging&#8217;s about engagement, and so they need to ask/cajole/encourage bloggers to engage with the issue/product/brand they&#8217;re promoting.</p>
<p>So if someone blogs about books, then sending them physical books incase they&#8217;d like to review them is pretty good.  Even better, if the PR firm can get the publisher to ask the author to respond to any posted review and join in the comments &#8220;below the line&#8221;.  Adds a lot of credibility to the review, and ups the PR impact.</p>
<p>Emailing someone to say there&#8217;s a restaurant opening is naff.  Emailing and saying that it&#8217;s opening and there&#8217;s a preview evening to which you&#8217;re welcome to attend as a local blogger is better.  Then taking an interest in the blogger&#8217;s perceptions &#8211; likely to be a bit more random and hard to predict than a regular newspaper reviewer &#8211; is important too.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s a two-way engagement.</p>
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		<title>By: Murphy&#8217;s Law &#187; Cross-Post: Engaging with Bloggers in Ireland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murphy&#8217;s Law &#187; Cross-Post: Engaging with Bloggers in Ireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mulley asks the question: &quot;How should PR companies engage with Irish bloggers&quot; I think the unfortunate term &#8220;new media&#8221; had made PR companies think (lazily) that the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bernie Goldbach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernie Goldbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dennishowlett

I wish mainstream Irish journalists would observe your last sentence. In many cases, I have challenged the accuracy of information delivered in a press release and then disseminated under a headline. Lately, when I&#039;ve responded on my blog with specific follow-on challenges to the journalists&#039; articles, I&#039;ve received boiler plate email retorts that directed me to remove my reference to named writers or face a solicitor with a demand for the same.

I believe press releases are to be challenged, not believed. And when vetted, they often give excellent copy for hired scribes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dennishowlett</p>
<p>I wish mainstream Irish journalists would observe your last sentence. In many cases, I have challenged the accuracy of information delivered in a press release and then disseminated under a headline. Lately, when I&#8217;ve responded on my blog with specific follow-on challenges to the journalists&#8217; articles, I&#8217;ve received boiler plate email retorts that directed me to remove my reference to named writers or face a solicitor with a demand for the same.</p>
<p>I believe press releases are to be challenged, not believed. And when vetted, they often give excellent copy for hired scribes.</p>
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