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	<title>Comments on: Green Party HQ Leaving agressive and fake comments on blogs?</title>
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	<description>Invisible people have invisible rights</description>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/12/22/green-party-hq-leaving-agressive-and-fake-comments-on-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-515000</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooooh better again:

That IP is a Govt IP:

netnum:      213.94.207.112 - 213.94.207.127
netname:      DEPTENVIRONMENT
descr:        Eircom Customer Assignment
country:      IE
admin-c:      PB2697-RIPE
tech-c:       PB2697-RIPE
status:       ASSIGNED PA
mnt-by:       TE-MNT
remarks:      Please send spam and other abuse complaints to abuse@eircom.net
source:       RIPE # Filtered</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooooh better again:</p>
<p>That IP is a Govt IP:</p>
<p>netnum:      213.94.207.112 &#8211; 213.94.207.127<br />
netname:      DEPTENVIRONMENT<br />
descr:        Eircom Customer Assignment<br />
country:      IE<br />
admin-c:      PB2697-RIPE<br />
tech-c:       PB2697-RIPE<br />
status:       ASSIGNED PA<br />
mnt-by:       TE-MNT<br />
remarks:      Please send spam and other abuse complaints to <a href="mailto:abuse@eircom.net">abuse@eircom.net</a><br />
source:       RIPE # Filtered</p>
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		<title>By: keith bohanna</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/12/22/green-party-hq-leaving-agressive-and-fake-comments-on-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-514856</link>
		<dc:creator>keith bohanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Bernie &quot;Perhaps Keith Bohanna should modify his Typepad template to show those details because doing that would answer @justin and his query about the IP address.&quot;

Perhaps someone/or Bernie would tell me how the @*&amp;$ to do this as completely un-obvious from the Typepad help section :-(

@Justin - 213.94.207.114

keith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bernie &#8220;Perhaps Keith Bohanna should modify his Typepad template to show those details because doing that would answer @justin and his query about the IP address.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps someone/or Bernie would tell me how the @*&amp;$ to do this as completely un-obvious from the Typepad help section <img src='http://www.mulley.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Justin &#8211; 213.94.207.114</p>
<p>keith</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Young</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/12/22/green-party-hq-leaving-agressive-and-fake-comments-on-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-511982</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s. of course using an email address owned by a company or group doesn&#039;t take much investigation work to get to the owner. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. of course using an email address owned by a company or group doesn&#8217;t take much investigation work to get to the owner. <img src='http://www.mulley.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tom Young</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/12/22/green-party-hq-leaving-agressive-and-fake-comments-on-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-511965</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit that its fairly shocking to think in this day and age that total anonymity on the web can be expected. 

Damien, did your experiences with that air freight company and Google privacy blog posts not prove a few things to readers here:

1. People, even who purport to work for the worlds largest online entity are stupid users of technology;

2. Address tracking can occur in a number of ways, Bernie mentioned two online packages that routinely log IP addresses. In addition a REVDNS - Reverse DNS loop-up will land the querist back at the point of origin of the post e.g., the employers IP address as assigned. So forensically/logically, it can be said to have come from there. Granted people can spook addresses, but its rare enough; and 

3. A basic Whois record lookup will land you on the details of the IT system admin with control in order for you or someone else to sue them.

In my opinion a corporations AUP - Acceptable Usage Policy, should be quite clear in outlining abuses and statements which could operate to on-line libel (slander) or indeed lead an individuals views to be construed as that of their employer at a certain point in time or when a communication comes from their systems.

There are a couple of cases which would seem to protect employees in the EU context from corporate abuses of their personal privacy, save for notice of same recording etc. Klass v Germany, Copland v UK. I believe the Irish Employment Appeals Tribunal - EAT, case of Browne v Ventelo displays that lacking of clear Codes of Practice or Conduct can lead to negative the employers position in litigation or a dismissal appeal.

Moral: If you hold a personal view, use your own account and do it in your own time. Don&#039;t defame as the web only provides a kimono type of shield. Once the kimono is opened we can see you all, hair, warts and all.

If the individuals in any of the cases I mentioned worked for me or my organisation, I&#039;d sack them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit that its fairly shocking to think in this day and age that total anonymity on the web can be expected. </p>
<p>Damien, did your experiences with that air freight company and Google privacy blog posts not prove a few things to readers here:</p>
<p>1. People, even who purport to work for the worlds largest online entity are stupid users of technology;</p>
<p>2. Address tracking can occur in a number of ways, Bernie mentioned two online packages that routinely log IP addresses. In addition a REVDNS &#8211; Reverse DNS loop-up will land the querist back at the point of origin of the post e.g., the employers IP address as assigned. So forensically/logically, it can be said to have come from there. Granted people can spook addresses, but its rare enough; and </p>
<p>3. A basic Whois record lookup will land you on the details of the IT system admin with control in order for you or someone else to sue them.</p>
<p>In my opinion a corporations AUP &#8211; Acceptable Usage Policy, should be quite clear in outlining abuses and statements which could operate to on-line libel (slander) or indeed lead an individuals views to be construed as that of their employer at a certain point in time or when a communication comes from their systems.</p>
<p>There are a couple of cases which would seem to protect employees in the EU context from corporate abuses of their personal privacy, save for notice of same recording etc. Klass v Germany, Copland v UK. I believe the Irish Employment Appeals Tribunal &#8211; EAT, case of Browne v Ventelo displays that lacking of clear Codes of Practice or Conduct can lead to negative the employers position in litigation or a dismissal appeal.</p>
<p>Moral: If you hold a personal view, use your own account and do it in your own time. Don&#8217;t defame as the web only provides a kimono type of shield. Once the kimono is opened we can see you all, hair, warts and all.</p>
<p>If the individuals in any of the cases I mentioned worked for me or my organisation, I&#8217;d sack them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie Goldbach</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/12/22/green-party-hq-leaving-agressive-and-fake-comments-on-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-511419</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie Goldbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be easier to get people to identify their affiliation if that requirement was part of the dialogue box when they try to leave a comment. But most blog templates don&#039;t have a field to complete with a job title or professional affiliation. In more than 5000 comments left on my web properties, fewer than five people have cited their professional affiliation to a thread or post. I think there&#039;s a lack of awareness and a lack of template support. Typepad or Movable Type lets you expose the IP address of those who comment. Perhaps  Keith Bohanna should modify his Typepad template to show those details because doing that would answer @justin and his query about the IP address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be easier to get people to identify their affiliation if that requirement was part of the dialogue box when they try to leave a comment. But most blog templates don&#8217;t have a field to complete with a job title or professional affiliation. In more than 5000 comments left on my web properties, fewer than five people have cited their professional affiliation to a thread or post. I think there&#8217;s a lack of awareness and a lack of template support. Typepad or Movable Type lets you expose the IP address of those who comment. Perhaps  Keith Bohanna should modify his Typepad template to show those details because doing that would answer @justin and his query about the IP address.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/12/22/green-party-hq-leaving-agressive-and-fake-comments-on-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-510848</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a matter of interest, what&#039;s the IP address to watch out for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a matter of interest, what&#8217;s the IP address to watch out for?</p>
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		<title>By: keith bohanna</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/12/22/green-party-hq-leaving-agressive-and-fake-comments-on-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-510615</link>
		<dc:creator>keith bohanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm - and the first comment here is DC - same person as Comment One on my post here - 
http://bohanna.typepad.com/pureplay/2007/12/an-open-letter.html#comment-94215490

keith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm &#8211; and the first comment here is DC &#8211; same person as Comment One on my post here &#8211;<br />
<a href="http://bohanna.typepad.com/pureplay/2007/12/an-open-letter.html#comment-94215490" rel="nofollow">http://bohanna.typepad.com/pureplay/2007/12/an-open-letter.html#comment-94215490</a></p>
<p>keith</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Synnott</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/12/22/green-party-hq-leaving-agressive-and-fake-comments-on-blogs/comment-page-1/#comment-510537</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Synnott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, political shills. Charming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, political shills. Charming.</p>
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