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	<title>Comments on: Pass the spin please &#8211; Another Green gets handed the baton-o-FUD</title>
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		<title>By: Roderic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roderic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damien

In response to your comments on my blog, itâ€™s not a question of whether I believe what Brian Lenihan says or not. Itâ€™s a question of whether what he says stands up to legal scrutiny. 
Having looked into his (and the Attorney Generalâ€™s) opinion that S. 7 of the Labour bill was possibly an unconstitutional delegation of power to a minister, I believe that he was almost certainly correct. This provision was key to the Labour bill as it was intended to do in one section what it took over 200 sections to do in the British Civil Partnership Act â€“ amend all existing legislation to provide for civil unions without having any of these amendments discussed in the Dail.
As such, I believe he was right to say the Labour bill was at risk of being struck down by the Supreme Court for unconstitutionality. 
Therefore, in my view it is better to put forward a Government bill that will not have the same risk of being struck down. 

Roderic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damien</p>
<p>In response to your comments on my blog, itâ€™s not a question of whether I believe what Brian Lenihan says or not. Itâ€™s a question of whether what he says stands up to legal scrutiny.<br />
Having looked into his (and the Attorney Generalâ€™s) opinion that S. 7 of the Labour bill was possibly an unconstitutional delegation of power to a minister, I believe that he was almost certainly correct. This provision was key to the Labour bill as it was intended to do in one section what it took over 200 sections to do in the British Civil Partnership Act â€“ amend all existing legislation to provide for civil unions without having any of these amendments discussed in the Dail.<br />
As such, I believe he was right to say the Labour bill was at risk of being struck down by the Supreme Court for unconstitutionality.<br />
Therefore, in my view it is better to put forward a Government bill that will not have the same risk of being struck down. </p>
<p>Roderic</p>
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		<title>By: tipster</title>
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		<dc:creator>tipster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand the angry reaction to the Greens, but I wonder if we assume the battle is lost. Is it possible that behind the scenes, the two and a half ministers will say to their larger partner that this waffle about presumptive relationships and special agencies is off limits or they walk? 

Is there reason to hopel they will realise when the dust settles that abandoning so much principle for pragmatism upends the main reason many of their voters support them?

(BTW, see Stephen King&#039;s column in today&#039;s Irish Examiner.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand the angry reaction to the Greens, but I wonder if we assume the battle is lost. Is it possible that behind the scenes, the two and a half ministers will say to their larger partner that this waffle about presumptive relationships and special agencies is off limits or they walk? </p>
<p>Is there reason to hopel they will realise when the dust settles that abandoning so much principle for pragmatism upends the main reason many of their voters support them?</p>
<p>(BTW, see Stephen King&#8217;s column in today&#8217;s Irish Examiner.)</p>
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		<title>By: Maman Poulet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maman Poulet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian - we need to get our deck chairs ready and all don&#039;t you know! To wait in line for our inequality.  A naming competition for the new agency for third class citizenship was underway online last week...Maybe we should go national and get a prize fund going! Damien - bring home an iphone or something from Paddy&#039;s Valley - that should get them motivated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian &#8211; we need to get our deck chairs ready and all don&#8217;t you know! To wait in line for our inequality.  A naming competition for the new agency for third class citizenship was underway online last week&#8230;Maybe we should go national and get a prize fund going! Damien &#8211; bring home an iphone or something from Paddy&#8217;s Valley &#8211; that should get them motivated!</p>
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		<title>By: Ianmcg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ianmcg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no one is answering my question about this new agency though</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no one is answering my question about this new agency though</p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.mulley.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: CiarÃ¡n</title>
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		<dc:creator>CiarÃ¡n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, 2008</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, 2008</p>
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		<title>By: Ianmcg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ianmcg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we&#039;re talking about typos did Ciaran Cuffe really mean &quot;March 2009 date for the Heads of the Bill&quot;

http://cuffestreet.blogspot.com/2007/11/civil-partnership.html

It was 2008 in his press release - and also as maman poulet pointed out somewhere - why do civil partnerships need a new &quot;agency&quot;
 
http://www.greenparty.ie/en/news/latest_news/greens_praise_govt_pledge_on_same_sex_unions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we&#8217;re talking about typos did Ciaran Cuffe really mean &#8220;March 2009 date for the Heads of the Bill&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://cuffestreet.blogspot.com/2007/11/civil-partnership.html" rel="nofollow">http://cuffestreet.blogspot.com/2007/11/civil-partnership.html</a></p>
<p>It was 2008 in his press release &#8211; and also as maman poulet pointed out somewhere &#8211; why do civil partnerships need a new &#8220;agency&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.greenparty.ie/en/news/latest_news/greens_praise_govt_pledge_on_same_sex_unions" rel="nofollow">http://www.greenparty.ie/en/news/latest_news/greens_praise_govt_pledge_on_same_sex_unions</a></p>
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		<title>By: Green Ink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green Ink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wonder will I get dressed down privately now because of what I said about the Greens?&quot;
Fnar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wonder will I get dressed down privately now because of what I said about the Greens?&#8221;<br />
Fnar.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neilformer - I like it :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neilformer &#8211; I like it <img src='http://www.mulley.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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