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	<title>Comments on: Exclusive: Politics.ie now home to even more &#8220;young adult&#8221; whingebags</title>
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		<title>By: Alexia</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/10/26/exclusive-politicsie-now-home-to-even-more-young-adult-whingebags/comment-page-2/#comment-731405</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Idryel: 

&quot;REMEMBER THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY THAT ARE DRIVING WITHOUT EVER HAVING SAT A DRIVERS TEST!&quot;

Right, there was a massive amnesty years and years ago when the rules changed and anyone who applied got their license. Are you saying the Government needs to retrospectively reexamine how previous administrations managed national policy? Even if it is just for driver licensing? That sets a dangerous precedent. 

What stops a future Government from changing the game and reexamining areas of policy that affect citizens&#039; rights? How about they decide that homosexuality needs to be recriminalised and that they want to raise the stakes and jail all gay people? What about religion? How about a future Government decides that they want to lock up anyone who isn&#039;t a Catholic or Muslim? Or severely downgrade their civil liberties? Hmm? 
Retrospective rule is a big no-no.. Unless you want to live in a police state. 

I think everyone ought to resit a driving test and get a permit ever 5 years. That&#039;s more equitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Idryel: </p>
<p>&#8220;REMEMBER THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY THAT ARE DRIVING WITHOUT EVER HAVING SAT A DRIVERS TEST!&#8221;</p>
<p>Right, there was a massive amnesty years and years ago when the rules changed and anyone who applied got their license. Are you saying the Government needs to retrospectively reexamine how previous administrations managed national policy? Even if it is just for driver licensing? That sets a dangerous precedent. </p>
<p>What stops a future Government from changing the game and reexamining areas of policy that affect citizens&#8217; rights? How about they decide that homosexuality needs to be recriminalised and that they want to raise the stakes and jail all gay people? What about religion? How about a future Government decides that they want to lock up anyone who isn&#8217;t a Catholic or Muslim? Or severely downgrade their civil liberties? Hmm?<br />
Retrospective rule is a big no-no.. Unless you want to live in a police state. </p>
<p>I think everyone ought to resit a driving test and get a permit ever 5 years. That&#8217;s more equitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Idryel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Idryel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before changing the L driving laws one needs to look at the public transport situation in this country and spend money on fixing that before thinking of changing the L driving law.

Second, a better  approach could have been taken in consideration and a graduated system like NZ where restricted licences come in to play would have been common sense here,  

REMEMBER THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY THAT ARE DRIVING WITHOUT EVER HAVING SAT A DRIVERS TEST!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before changing the L driving laws one needs to look at the public transport situation in this country and spend money on fixing that before thinking of changing the L driving law.</p>
<p>Second, a better  approach could have been taken in consideration and a graduated system like NZ where restricted licences come in to play would have been common sense here,  </p>
<p>REMEMBER THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY THAT ARE DRIVING WITHOUT EVER HAVING SAT A DRIVERS TEST!</p>
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		<title>By: barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>talk about whingers..... I read Damien because he (usually) has intelligent stuff. Why change the habit?? 

The driving test fiasco has been around for years, the accident rate too, the equation is/was -

more (and more) cars + bad roads + poor driving = accident rate

now it is - 

more and more cars + RSA fuck-up of the application of the law + ministerial funk = accident rate increase</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>talk about whingers&#8230;.. I read Damien because he (usually) has intelligent stuff. Why change the habit?? </p>
<p>The driving test fiasco has been around for years, the accident rate too, the equation is/was -</p>
<p>more (and more) cars + bad roads + poor driving = accident rate</p>
<p>now it is &#8211; </p>
<p>more and more cars + RSA fuck-up of the application of the law + ministerial funk = accident rate increase</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 00:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just had a friend email me a petition to get rid of Noel Dempsey. I asked him a couple of questions, and surprise, surprise, he&#039;s up for his second provisional in November. I haven&#039;t heard his excuse for not having a real licence yet, but I&#039;m sure it&#039;s a genuine sob story. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just had a friend email me a petition to get rid of Noel Dempsey. I asked him a couple of questions, and surprise, surprise, he&#8217;s up for his second provisional in November. I haven&#8217;t heard his excuse for not having a real licence yet, but I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s a genuine sob story. <img src='http://www.mulley.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah !

Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey 

What a guy, still nothing whatsoever done for Shannon but we have all forgotten that now have we not ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah !</p>
<p>Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey Dempsey </p>
<p>What a guy, still nothing whatsoever done for Shannon but we have all forgotten that now have we not ???</p>
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		<title>By: Conor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 01:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe they delayed things until they thought they&#039;d be able to handle such an influx.  Why wasn&#039;t this done from from that start? They&#039;ve got the right idea but at the worst possible time.
If they see it fit to increase their pay to match the private sector then they should be subject to the same insecurity.  Any board member who made so many countless poor decisions would be left go.
Brass balls Damien? You&#039;re right. The problem is we  &quot;see no evil&quot; as the monkeys we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they delayed things until they thought they&#8217;d be able to handle such an influx.  Why wasn&#8217;t this done from from that start? They&#8217;ve got the right idea but at the worst possible time.<br />
If they see it fit to increase their pay to match the private sector then they should be subject to the same insecurity.  Any board member who made so many countless poor decisions would be left go.<br />
Brass balls Damien? You&#8217;re right. The problem is we  &#8220;see no evil&#8221; as the monkeys we are.</p>
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		<title>By: Branedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Branedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, how interesting that the government is back peddling now, almost as it nothing was going to change. AS IF the Garda were going to change their enforcement operations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, how interesting that the government is back peddling now, almost as it nothing was going to change. AS IF the Garda were going to change their enforcement operations.</p>
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		<title>By: Elana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.  From the article:

&quot;Northern Ireland is one of the few regions with a 45mph (72km/h) limit for all learner and recently qualified drivers. However, the report found no evidence that this restriction was reducing crashes for these drivers, and added there seemed to be little enforcement of it.

The Audit Office study said data from speed cameras at two major Belfast roads recorded &quot;a speeding &#039;R&#039; driver every two minutes&quot; and said such levels of non-compliance call into question the effectiveness of the scheme.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  From the article:</p>
<p>&#8220;Northern Ireland is one of the few regions with a 45mph (72km/h) limit for all learner and recently qualified drivers. However, the report found no evidence that this restriction was reducing crashes for these drivers, and added there seemed to be little enforcement of it.</p>
<p>The Audit Office study said data from speed cameras at two major Belfast roads recorded &#8220;a speeding &#8216;R&#8217; driver every two minutes&#8221; and said such levels of non-compliance call into question the effectiveness of the scheme.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Mason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actualy, if the Republic&#039;s driving test was like the Northern one, that&#039;d be fine; the problem is, it isn&#039;t.

Mind you &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/motors/2007/0905/1188603536835.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;there are some other reasons why it&#039;d be great if the test here was like it is up there, too&lt;/a&gt; ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actualy, if the Republic&#8217;s driving test was like the Northern one, that&#8217;d be fine; the problem is, it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Mind you <a href="http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/motors/2007/0905/1188603536835.html" rel="nofollow">there are some other reasons why it&#8217;d be great if the test here was like it is up there, too</a> <img src='http://www.mulley.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Branedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Branedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elly, those who forget Haughey, are destined to re-live Haughey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elly, those who forget Haughey, are destined to re-live Haughey.</p>
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