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	<title>Comments on: A digg for Irish blog posts to get them into the mainstream press</title>
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	<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/06/12/a-digg-for-irish-blog-posts-to-get-them-into-the-mainstream-press/</link>
	<description>Invisible people have invisible rights</description>
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		<title>By: Caoimhin</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/06/12/a-digg-for-irish-blog-posts-to-get-them-into-the-mainstream-press/#comment-286049</link>
		<dc:creator>Caoimhin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 19:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well possibly you could add "Issues" as well as locations and names as a topic for listing political discussions thus picking up items that are political in nature but otherwise overlooked.  Still pull the politicians names as you do from the net but add a new category?  Then there are three ways of cross-referencing ie. Politician/Region/Issue, just a thought, I am delighted with your site and am a frequent visitor; but, would love to see other bloggers opinions and comparisons on current affairs and how the politicians stand on them.  Can it be done?  No idea myself, I am technologically challenged!  :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well possibly you could add &#8220;Issues&#8221; as well as locations and names as a topic for listing political discussions thus picking up items that are political in nature but otherwise overlooked.  Still pull the politicians names as you do from the net but add a new category?  Then there are three ways of cross-referencing ie. Politician/Region/Issue, just a thought, I am delighted with your site and am a frequent visitor; but, would love to see other bloggers opinions and comparisons on current affairs and how the politicians stand on them.  Can it be done?  No idea myself, I am technologically challenged!  <img src='http://www.mulley.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/06/12/a-digg-for-irish-blog-posts-to-get-them-into-the-mainstream-press/#comment-285591</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean an aggregator for Irish News? Like PoliticsInIreland.com? How would that work? PII works by searching the net for politician's names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean an aggregator for Irish News? Like PoliticsInIreland.com? How would that work? PII works by searching the net for politician&#8217;s names.</p>
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		<title>By: Caoimhin</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/06/12/a-digg-for-irish-blog-posts-to-get-them-into-the-mainstream-press/#comment-285586</link>
		<dc:creator>Caoimhin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloggers will hardly be able to compete with fast breaking news stories or expect to recieve insider tips unless they are a full time hard news blog.  But wouldn't it be grand if there was a way to "introduce" a potential newsworthy story into the Blogosphere that would get a viewing over and above it's own readership?  The political site that Damien runs does that for Irish Politics, how about one for news Damien?  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloggers will hardly be able to compete with fast breaking news stories or expect to recieve insider tips unless they are a full time hard news blog.  But wouldn&#8217;t it be grand if there was a way to &#8220;introduce&#8221; a potential newsworthy story into the Blogosphere that would get a viewing over and above it&#8217;s own readership?  The political site that Damien runs does that for Irish Politics, how about one for news Damien?  <img src='http://www.mulley.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: tipster</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/06/12/a-digg-for-irish-blog-posts-to-get-them-into-the-mainstream-press/#comment-281319</link>
		<dc:creator>tipster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the article is hardly scoop-like investigative journalism, I see that a blog entry on IKEA has been republished on the op-ed page in today's Irish Times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the article is hardly scoop-like investigative journalism, I see that a blog entry on IKEA has been republished on the op-ed page in today&#8217;s Irish Times.</p>
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		<title>By: John Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/06/12/a-digg-for-irish-blog-posts-to-get-them-into-the-mainstream-press/#comment-280857</link>
		<dc:creator>John Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's the problem Padraig - it is unusual. Some stories can be turned around in very little time.

But proper in-depth research and analysis takes time. Arguably news organisations have the resources but their journalists don't have the time and the reverse might be true of some but not all bloggers - although many obviously have jobs and what have you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the problem Padraig - it is unusual. Some stories can be turned around in very little time.</p>
<p>But proper in-depth research and analysis takes time. Arguably news organisations have the resources but their journalists don&#8217;t have the time and the reverse might be true of some but not all bloggers - although many obviously have jobs and what have you.</p>
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		<title>By: Padraig O'Morain</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/06/12/a-digg-for-irish-blog-posts-to-get-them-into-the-mainstream-press/#comment-280123</link>
		<dc:creator>Padraig O'Morain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be most unusual for a journalist to be given a few weeks, let alone a few months, to investigate a story. Bloggers are short of resources too. If a news organisation was to make such time available it would have a major impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be most unusual for a journalist to be given a few weeks, let alone a few months, to investigate a story. Bloggers are short of resources too. If a news organisation was to make such time available it would have a major impact.</p>
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		<title>By: John Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/06/12/a-digg-for-irish-blog-posts-to-get-them-into-the-mainstream-press/#comment-279696</link>
		<dc:creator>John Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the FOI scans suggestion is a good idea.

I think the argument about there not being any journalists who look for news is not accurate. On alot of the dailies about 75% of their content is basically recycled press releases. But there are exceptions.

As someone writing for the business section of a Sunday newspaper, I spend alot of time searching for news. I'm currently working on a time consuming investigation but this has to be done in between doing other work and what have you. So you're right that we are at the mercy of the cut and thrust of the industry.

Look at David Leigh and his colleague at The Guardian's recent BAE story in the UK. That must have taken months of research and look at the impact it is having across other media and in the political sphere there.

I think the Sundays here are more in that league than the dailies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the FOI scans suggestion is a good idea.</p>
<p>I think the argument about there not being any journalists who look for news is not accurate. On alot of the dailies about 75% of their content is basically recycled press releases. But there are exceptions.</p>
<p>As someone writing for the business section of a Sunday newspaper, I spend alot of time searching for news. I&#8217;m currently working on a time consuming investigation but this has to be done in between doing other work and what have you. So you&#8217;re right that we are at the mercy of the cut and thrust of the industry.</p>
<p>Look at David Leigh and his colleague at The Guardian&#8217;s recent BAE story in the UK. That must have taken months of research and look at the impact it is having across other media and in the political sphere there.</p>
<p>I think the Sundays here are more in that league than the dailies.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Browne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that not a little bit like kick.ie??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that not a little bit like kick.ie??</p>
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		<title>By: tipster</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/06/12/a-digg-for-irish-blog-posts-to-get-them-into-the-mainstream-press/#comment-279096</link>
		<dc:creator>tipster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd take a step back and say that I think there is a need to reconsider the concept of "the press". Sure, the central core of the idea remains pretty much in place at the moment: a small number of organisations in each "domain" (local or national, principally) is used by large numbers of people as their key sources of information.

However, the combination of (i) the access of people outside these "media" organisations to information and (ii) the ability of all of these people to make that information available to lots of other interested people means that the old model is, at best, very frayed at the edges. I don't know how much that fraying wil move towards unraveling of the fabric.

Having said that, I will admit that my comment is prompted more by remarks by Eoin O'Dell at a conference on "The Consitution at 70" at the weekend, where the reference in the Bunreacht to the special role of the press in a democratic society was mentioned. My concern there is at the idea that, say, Damien Mulley gets some constitutional protection when his writing appears on tribune.ie that he doesn't get when his words appear on mulley.net, or that Damien Mulley doesn't get that protection because (most of) his income comes from not reporting news for publication whereas Shane Hegarty does because his income does seem inadequate to an age where we are moving towards greater participatory access in the information sphere as well as the decision-making sphere. But if that doubtful distinction should apply to a constitutional protection (Tipster mulls a "'Contsituional Protection for Mulley' Campaign"), I think it prompts us to question the idea of a "press" against whom we should measure the iportance of a piece of information.

A further point is that, at the moment, access to information in many areas is still difficult -- how easy is it to track the decisions of your county councillors and their votes? (And contrast that with the DÃ¡il and Seanad.) We need more openness there too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d take a step back and say that I think there is a need to reconsider the concept of &#8220;the press&#8221;. Sure, the central core of the idea remains pretty much in place at the moment: a small number of organisations in each &#8220;domain&#8221; (local or national, principally) is used by large numbers of people as their key sources of information.</p>
<p>However, the combination of (i) the access of people outside these &#8220;media&#8221; organisations to information and (ii) the ability of all of these people to make that information available to lots of other interested people means that the old model is, at best, very frayed at the edges. I don&#8217;t know how much that fraying wil move towards unraveling of the fabric.</p>
<p>Having said that, I will admit that my comment is prompted more by remarks by Eoin O&#8217;Dell at a conference on &#8220;The Consitution at 70&#8243; at the weekend, where the reference in the Bunreacht to the special role of the press in a democratic society was mentioned. My concern there is at the idea that, say, Damien Mulley gets some constitutional protection when his writing appears on tribune.ie that he doesn&#8217;t get when his words appear on mulley.net, or that Damien Mulley doesn&#8217;t get that protection because (most of) his income comes from not reporting news for publication whereas Shane Hegarty does because his income does seem inadequate to an age where we are moving towards greater participatory access in the information sphere as well as the decision-making sphere. But if that doubtful distinction should apply to a constitutional protection (Tipster mulls a &#8220;&#8216;Contsituional Protection for Mulley&#8217; Campaign&#8221;), I think it prompts us to question the idea of a &#8220;press&#8221; against whom we should measure the iportance of a piece of information.</p>
<p>A further point is that, at the moment, access to information in many areas is still difficult &#8212; how easy is it to track the decisions of your county councillors and their votes? (And contrast that with the DÃ¡il and Seanad.) We need more openness there too.</p>
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		<title>By: Twenty Major</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/06/12/a-digg-for-irish-blog-posts-to-get-them-into-the-mainstream-press/#comment-279081</link>
		<dc:creator>Twenty Major</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I dunno. There are lots of blogs out there that maybe have 8-9 daily reads and maybe 3-4 subscribers. If they wrote something interesting, how would they get attention apart from say another blogger pointing to them? And further attention when that blogger gets the press to pay attention?&lt;/i&gt;

Isn't that what blogs do anyway though? Someone links, someone else reads then links etc etc. If it's good enough it's bound to make it to some 'higher profile' blogs. Or get nicked by Blogorrah :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I dunno. There are lots of blogs out there that maybe have 8-9 daily reads and maybe 3-4 subscribers. If they wrote something interesting, how would they get attention apart from say another blogger pointing to them? And further attention when that blogger gets the press to pay attention?</i></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that what blogs do anyway though? Someone links, someone else reads then links etc etc. If it&#8217;s good enough it&#8217;s bound to make it to some &#8216;higher profile&#8217; blogs. Or get nicked by Blogorrah <img src='http://www.mulley.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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