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	<title>Comments on: Fucking over dialup users will increase broadband usage</title>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/06/04/fucking-over-dialup-users-will-increase-broadband-usage/comment-page-1/#comment-270587</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a tosser. Whatever scrap of merit he had in his argument has been shown to be wrong a while ago. You can&#039;t keep stimulating demand when people are already taking it up in their droves.

And his labelling of &quot;begrudgers&quot; is no consolation to the hundreds of thousands who are still unable to access broadband at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a tosser. Whatever scrap of merit he had in his argument has been shown to be wrong a while ago. You can&#8217;t keep stimulating demand when people are already taking it up in their droves.</p>
<p>And his labelling of &#8220;begrudgers&#8221; is no consolation to the hundreds of thousands who are still unable to access broadband at home.</p>
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		<title>By: eastmeath.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Awakening</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/06/04/fucking-over-dialup-users-will-increase-broadband-usage/comment-page-1/#comment-269908</link>
		<dc:creator>eastmeath.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Awakening</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Industrial relations are starting to turn nasty: An Post, Nurses, Doctors, ESB. We are turning our backs on an education crisis in terms of school building and class sizes indicating a devaluation of education. Our election was largely determined on a nonsensical stamp duty issue. While our competitors are installing state of the art communications systems we are dithering with mental gymnastics and PR to convince people that a failed policy is supposedly delivering. We are planning to house massive populations far from work and facilities despite almost universal acceptance of serious global warming and energy issues in the future. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Industrial relations are starting to turn nasty: An Post, Nurses, Doctors, ESB. We are turning our backs on an education crisis in terms of school building and class sizes indicating a devaluation of education. Our election was largely determined on a nonsensical stamp duty issue. While our competitors are installing state of the art communications systems we are dithering with mental gymnastics and PR to convince people that a failed policy is supposedly delivering. We are planning to house massive populations far from work and facilities despite almost universal acceptance of serious global warming and energy issues in the future. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Gaughan</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/06/04/fucking-over-dialup-users-will-increase-broadband-usage/comment-page-1/#comment-269004</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Gaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it filters through his skull that one of the points he makes, specifically that we have a high growth rate, &lt;em&gt;proves&lt;/em&gt; that there&#039;s demand there and that the root problem is availability. After all, the fraction of people who can actually get it are snapping it up. *sigh*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it filters through his skull that one of the points he makes, specifically that we have a high growth rate, <em>proves</em> that there&#8217;s demand there and that the root problem is availability. After all, the fraction of people who can actually get it are snapping it up. *sigh*</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/06/04/fucking-over-dialup-users-will-increase-broadband-usage/comment-page-1/#comment-268937</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree 100% with your analysis I don&#039;t agree with the analyser. 
&gt;Itâ€™s availability, it was availability and it still will be availability. But for &gt;a consultant that needs to sell crap, availability will not make one &gt;money.

As a consultant I think you should do your analysis more carefully, it is a lack of availability AND a lack of understanding of what could be achieved if there was availability. The eircom/ComReg/others balls up in Ireland is a lack of willingness to a) take any commercial chances b) be booted in the arse by the regulator c) understand that the broadband business is chicken and egg, that has been amply proved elsewhere - if you don&#039;t offer an option then there will be no take-up, but if you don&#039;t show what can be done there won&#039;t be any take-up either. 

As a service provider if you have the money to pay for leased lines you don&#039;t give a shit about punters who don&#039;t, that is the &#039;logic&#039; that has driven the present situation in Ireland.

Bye, Barry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree 100% with your analysis I don&#8217;t agree with the analyser.<br />
&gt;Itâ€™s availability, it was availability and it still will be availability. But for &gt;a consultant that needs to sell crap, availability will not make one &gt;money.</p>
<p>As a consultant I think you should do your analysis more carefully, it is a lack of availability AND a lack of understanding of what could be achieved if there was availability. The eircom/ComReg/others balls up in Ireland is a lack of willingness to a) take any commercial chances b) be booted in the arse by the regulator c) understand that the broadband business is chicken and egg, that has been amply proved elsewhere &#8211; if you don&#8217;t offer an option then there will be no take-up, but if you don&#8217;t show what can be done there won&#8217;t be any take-up either. </p>
<p>As a service provider if you have the money to pay for leased lines you don&#8217;t give a shit about punters who don&#8217;t, that is the &#8216;logic&#8217; that has driven the present situation in Ireland.</p>
<p>Bye, Barry</p>
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		<title>By: Evert</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/06/04/fucking-over-dialup-users-will-increase-broadband-usage/comment-page-1/#comment-267633</link>
		<dc:creator>Evert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jayzus Damien, I would say you popped a vein over that &quot;enlighted&quot; article...

E.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jayzus Damien, I would say you popped a vein over that &#8220;enlighted&#8221; article&#8230;</p>
<p>E.</p>
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		<title>By: Treasa</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/06/04/fucking-over-dialup-users-will-increase-broadband-usage/comment-page-1/#comment-267630</link>
		<dc:creator>Treasa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no point waxing on about growth rates and how high there when you are starting from a low base. High growth rates are something to be ashamed of, it is an admission that you screwed up on the availability front. 

That being said, regardless of the availability of broadband, dial-up users are getting screwed over right left and centre in terms of service availability. Unfortunately, just because the dial up service is attrocious doesn&#039;t imply that there is any sort of a broadband alternative available. In many cases there is not. So people who want broadband can&#039;t get it. People whose dial up service is not adequate can&#039;t upgrade. What is it about &quot;rock&quot; and &quot;hard place&quot; that people in lofty offices in Dublin don&#039;t understand? When I left Belgium eight years ago they were rolling out cable broadband equivalent to what half the people in this country pay an inflated amount of money for. 

I get the feeling it&#039;s that there are people who make a judgement call on &quot;sure who needs really high speed internet anyway&quot; and they are not the ones who don&#039;t have access to broadband.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no point waxing on about growth rates and how high there when you are starting from a low base. High growth rates are something to be ashamed of, it is an admission that you screwed up on the availability front. </p>
<p>That being said, regardless of the availability of broadband, dial-up users are getting screwed over right left and centre in terms of service availability. Unfortunately, just because the dial up service is attrocious doesn&#8217;t imply that there is any sort of a broadband alternative available. In many cases there is not. So people who want broadband can&#8217;t get it. People whose dial up service is not adequate can&#8217;t upgrade. What is it about &#8220;rock&#8221; and &#8220;hard place&#8221; that people in lofty offices in Dublin don&#8217;t understand? When I left Belgium eight years ago they were rolling out cable broadband equivalent to what half the people in this country pay an inflated amount of money for. </p>
<p>I get the feeling it&#8217;s that there are people who make a judgement call on &#8220;sure who needs really high speed internet anyway&#8221; and they are not the ones who don&#8217;t have access to broadband.</p>
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		<title>By: I can't believe it</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/06/04/fucking-over-dialup-users-will-increase-broadband-usage/comment-page-1/#comment-267575</link>
		<dc:creator>I can't believe it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 13:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual spot on.  I can&#039;t find the source but I seem to recall that over half of SME&#039;s who tried to get broadband could not. 
I once worked for a company with an address in University Technology Park, in a cork city suburb and we could n&#039;t get broadband, despite contacts at high levels !!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual spot on.  I can&#8217;t find the source but I seem to recall that over half of SME&#8217;s who tried to get broadband could not.<br />
I once worked for a company with an address in University Technology Park, in a cork city suburb and we could n&#8217;t get broadband, despite contacts at high levels !!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.mulley.net/2007/06/04/fucking-over-dialup-users-will-increase-broadband-usage/comment-page-1/#comment-267552</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s mindblowing stuff. Scary to think people who give advice like that get contracts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s mindblowing stuff. Scary to think people who give advice like that get contracts.</p>
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