Comments on: First come the parodies… http://www.mulley.net/2007/05/08/first-come-the-parodies/ Invisible people have invisible rights Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:55:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Neil Grogan's Site » Blog Archive » Update on RTE and the Creative Commons http://www.mulley.net/2007/05/08/first-come-the-parodies/comment-page-1/#comment-919343 Neil Grogan's Site » Blog Archive » Update on RTE and the Creative Commons Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:53:01 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=2132#comment-919343 [...] releasing democratic debates under a permissive license in the United States has caused quite a few Irish bloggers to echo my call on RTE’s stance on releasing the Irish Election 2007 debates. If you [...] [...] releasing democratic debates under a permissive license in the United States has caused quite a few Irish bloggers to echo my call on RTE’s stance on releasing the Irish Election 2007 debates. If you [...]

]]> By: Duey Finsters » Blog Archive » Update on RTE and the Creative Commons http://www.mulley.net/2007/05/08/first-come-the-parodies/comment-page-1/#comment-247228 Duey Finsters » Blog Archive » Update on RTE and the Creative Commons Thu, 17 May 2007 20:01:32 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=2132#comment-247228 [...] Unbeknownst to me, with my quick thinking on the positive developments regarding CBS releasing democratic debates under a permissive license in the United States has caused quite a few Irish bloggers to echo my call on RTE’s stance on releasing the Irish Election 2007 debates. If you agree we should be allowed to download, remix and share the debates while giving RTE credit for production, please: [...] [...] Unbeknownst to me, with my quick thinking on the positive developments regarding CBS releasing democratic debates under a permissive license in the United States has caused quite a few Irish bloggers to echo my call on RTE’s stance on releasing the Irish Election 2007 debates. If you agree we should be allowed to download, remix and share the debates while giving RTE credit for production, please: [...]

]]> By: cearta.ie » Blog Archive » Speech just wants to be free http://www.mulley.net/2007/05/08/first-come-the-parodies/comment-page-1/#comment-241088 cearta.ie » Blog Archive » Speech just wants to be free Thu, 10 May 2007 14:02:18 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=2132#comment-241088 [...] Following yesterday’s RTE.ie web debate comes the news that there will be a television debate between Fianna Fáil leader Bertie Ahern and Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny on Prime Time on 17 May next. Given that RTÉ is a Public Service Broadcaster, a non-profit making organisation owned by the Irish people, and Ireland’s cross-media leader, it has seemed to many Irish bloggers (eg Fergus, Niall, Damien, Irish Election) that RTÉ should follow the US example and make the video of this forthcoming Prime Time debate available online without restrictions, to promote and foster the widest possible dissemination of and discussion about, that debate. [...] [...] Following yesterday’s RTE.ie web debate comes the news that there will be a television debate between Fianna Fáil leader Bertie Ahern and Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny on Prime Time on 17 May next. Given that RTÉ is a Public Service Broadcaster, a non-profit making organisation owned by the Irish people, and Ireland’s cross-media leader, it has seemed to many Irish bloggers (eg Fergus, Niall, Damien, Irish Election) that RTÉ should follow the US example and make the video of this forthcoming Prime Time debate available online without restrictions, to promote and foster the widest possible dissemination of and discussion about, that debate. [...]

]]> By: Dan Sullivan http://www.mulley.net/2007/05/08/first-come-the-parodies/comment-page-1/#comment-240415 Dan Sullivan Wed, 09 May 2007 10:14:40 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=2132#comment-240415 One of the hardest problems that I didn't properly anticipate with trying to make stuff of a video nature done is getting silence or at least a decent audio background. People will accept things being off with the visual but dear God if the fan is roaring in the background it is very annoying. One of the hardest problems that I didn’t properly anticipate with trying to make stuff of a video nature done is getting silence or at least a decent audio background. People will accept things being off with the visual but dear God if the fan is roaring in the background it is very annoying.

]]> By: Niall http://www.mulley.net/2007/05/08/first-come-the-parodies/comment-page-1/#comment-240396 Niall Wed, 09 May 2007 09:27:16 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=2132#comment-240396 From RTE's point of view, the footage might be used for non-commercial purposes but it will almost certainly be used for political purposes. From RTE’s point of view, the footage might be used for non-commercial purposes but it will almost certainly be used for political purposes.

]]> By: Web Roundup Day 10 at Irish Election http://www.mulley.net/2007/05/08/first-come-the-parodies/comment-page-1/#comment-240114 Web Roundup Day 10 at Irish Election Tue, 08 May 2007 21:44:05 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=2132#comment-240114 [...] Perhaps they have still got time to listen to Neil Groagan’s idea and make it available over the internet for, erm, youtubing. [...] [...] Perhaps they have still got time to listen to Neil Groagan’s idea and make it available over the internet for, erm, youtubing. [...]

]]> By: Simon McGarr http://www.mulley.net/2007/05/08/first-come-the-parodies/comment-page-1/#comment-240062 Simon McGarr Tue, 08 May 2007 18:41:40 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=2132#comment-240062 "An interesting idea but I’m sure RTE will want to exercise control over how its footage is represented" That's the argument really. I accept they have a right not to hand their footage over to someone else to make money from. But for non-commercial use, of non-commrecial snippets of footage, what is there to be lost from allowing it to be incorporated into the national discourse? Sounds like the kind of thing a public service broadcaster ought to be thinking it would love to get into. “An interesting idea but I’m sure RTE will want to exercise control over how its footage is represented”

That’s the argument really. I accept they have a right not to hand their footage over to someone else to make money from. But for non-commercial use, of non-commrecial snippets of footage, what is there to be lost from allowing it to be incorporated into the national discourse?

Sounds like the kind of thing a public service broadcaster ought to be thinking it would love to get into.

]]> By: Niall http://www.mulley.net/2007/05/08/first-come-the-parodies/comment-page-1/#comment-239940 Niall Tue, 08 May 2007 14:14:07 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=2132#comment-239940 An interesting idea but I'm sure RTE will want to exercise control over how its footage is represented. I'd say the chances of them agreeing to it are zero. An interesting idea but I’m sure RTE will want to exercise control over how its footage is represented. I’d say the chances of them agreeing to it are zero.

]]> By: Damien http://www.mulley.net/2007/05/08/first-come-the-parodies/comment-page-1/#comment-239927 Damien Tue, 08 May 2007 13:30:09 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=2132#comment-239927 or the fact that in the first version from RTE, PJ is seen saying "fuck off" to Browne but this does not appear in later versions. or the fact that in the first version from RTE, PJ is seen saying “fuck off” to Browne but this does not appear in later versions.

]]> By: Simon McGarr http://www.mulley.net/2007/05/08/first-come-the-parodies/comment-page-1/#comment-239912 Simon McGarr Tue, 08 May 2007 12:50:11 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=2132#comment-239912 This is something I have been planning to write about for a while now. I hope I won't have to now. As an example; the footage of Vincent Browne and Bertie shown on the 6 O'Clock news is only part of the available video record of that day- there were edits, camera changes and so on. But I think it would be interesting to have access to the reactions of the crowd, to shots of FF activists trying to approach VB to take his mic away and so on. Those are powerful images and by releasing them for sharing or recutting (not on YouTube in all likelihood given its terms of licencing but maybe on VideoEgg which has the advantage of integration with Bebo) by citizens, RTE would turn what are currently just editing floor sweepings into valuable contributions to the public debate. What more vital task for the national broadcaster than to let the nation talk to itself? I'd follow this up with anyone who'd like to put together a (brief) proposal to put to RTE. This is something I have been planning to write about for a while now. I hope I won’t have to now.

As an example; the footage of Vincent Browne and Bertie shown on the 6 O’Clock news is only part of the available video record of that day- there were edits, camera changes and so on.

But I think it would be interesting to have access to the reactions of the crowd, to shots of FF activists trying to approach VB to take his mic away and so on. Those are powerful images and by releasing them for sharing or recutting (not on YouTube in all likelihood given its terms of licencing but maybe on VideoEgg which has the advantage of integration with Bebo) by citizens, RTE would turn what are currently just editing floor sweepings into valuable contributions to the public debate. What more vital task for the national broadcaster than to let the nation talk to itself?

I’d follow this up with anyone who’d like to put together a (brief) proposal to put to RTE.

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