Comments on: We can agenda it for you wholesale http://www.mulley.net/2006/08/02/we-can-agenda-it-for-you-wholesale/ Invisible people have invisible rights Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:16:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Julian http://www.mulley.net/2006/08/02/we-can-agenda-it-for-you-wholesale/comment-page-1/#comment-43648 Julian Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:52:57 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=988#comment-43648 Interesting from our perspective in the not-for-investment wine business. Because views on wine are so subjective and so much to do with the people involved, from grower to drinker, preaching from on high has never been the right approach. I think most wine drinkers want word of mouth recommendations from people who appear to share their tastes in things generally, whether journalists or friends. It's much easier to gain that broad empathy through the discursiveness of a blog, probably the fluffier the better if we're going to help dissolve the wineknowledgefear and get folk to trust their own judgement. Interesting from our perspective in the not-for-investment wine business. Because views on wine are so subjective and so much to do with the people involved, from grower to drinker, preaching from on high has never been the right approach. I think most wine drinkers want word of mouth recommendations from people who appear to share their tastes in things generally, whether journalists or friends. It’s much easier to gain that broad empathy through the discursiveness of a blog, probably the fluffier the better if we’re going to help dissolve the wineknowledgefear and get folk to trust their own judgement.

]]> By: Curly K http://www.mulley.net/2006/08/02/we-can-agenda-it-for-you-wholesale/comment-page-1/#comment-43619 Curly K Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:18:21 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=988#comment-43619 Lovely piece Damien, certainly adds substance to the debate. But I agree with you, you'd think the journalist vs blogger debate should be well over already. Lovely piece Damien, certainly adds substance to the debate. But I agree with you, you’d think the journalist vs blogger debate should be well over already.

]]> By: John http://www.mulley.net/2006/08/02/we-can-agenda-it-for-you-wholesale/comment-page-1/#comment-43617 John Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:02:22 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=988#comment-43617 Having read both the articles listed at the top I’m surprised at the level of aggression by professional journalists. A couple of items sprang to mind when considering why this might be so. Firstly is the assumption that all journalists are professional and excellent at their job. Certainly many are but a huge number aren’t. Is it a case of these lesser journalists looking around and discovering that they are being surpassed by so called citizen journalists? Good quality accurate unbiased journalism is hard work, requiring talented and dedicated individuals to consistently churn out story after story day after day. It’s a job. Some people are naturally talented at it, some get there through hard work. But it is a tough profession and as such it isn’t something most people could do. Bloggers have much more latitude in their scribbling. No deadlines, if they post a story today and don’t for another month, who cares. They (by and large) aren’t relying on blogging as their primary source of income. Their only editor is either themselves or their readership. This is the equivalent of me complaining about users being able to fix their own machines and networks because MS has made life easier for the average punter. Boo Hoo. More of it I say. Let me get on with doing the really heavy work while users attend to the niggly stuff. Journalist could use this as an opportunity to get away from the folksy pieces, human interest pieces and get stuck into bigger wider issues. Or is that the problem? That some journalists can only do fluff pieces, and the thought of doing bigger deeper analysis is frightening some people in the industry? John Having read both the articles listed at the top I’m surprised at the level of aggression by professional journalists.

A couple of items sprang to mind when considering why this might be so.

Firstly is the assumption that all journalists are professional and excellent at their job. Certainly many are but a huge number aren’t. Is it a case of these lesser journalists looking around and discovering that they are being surpassed by so called citizen journalists?

Good quality accurate unbiased journalism is hard work, requiring talented and dedicated individuals to consistently churn out story after story day after day. It’s a job. Some people are naturally talented at it, some get there through hard work. But it is a tough profession and as such it isn’t something most people could do.

Bloggers have much more latitude in their scribbling. No deadlines, if they post a story today and don’t for another month, who cares. They (by and large) aren’t relying on blogging as their primary source of income. Their only editor is either themselves or their readership.

This is the equivalent of me complaining about users being able to fix their own machines and networks because MS has made life easier for the average punter. Boo Hoo. More of it I say. Let me get on with doing the really heavy work while users attend to the niggly stuff. Journalist could use this as an opportunity to get away from the folksy pieces, human interest pieces and get stuck into bigger wider issues.

Or is that the problem? That some journalists can only do fluff pieces, and the thought of doing bigger deeper analysis is frightening some people in the industry?

John

]]> By: Simon http://www.mulley.net/2006/08/02/we-can-agenda-it-for-you-wholesale/comment-page-1/#comment-43562 Simon Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:32:28 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=988#comment-43562 you can get some of the Irish times stories off the news section of eircom.net. A handy trick I picked up. But you don't get the columns you can get some of the Irish times stories off the news section of eircom.net. A handy trick I picked up. But you don’t get the columns

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