Comments on: An April’s Fool as a springboard http://www.mulley.net/2006/04/02/an-aprils-fool-as-a-springboard/ Invisible people have invisible rights Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:16:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Adam http://www.mulley.net/2006/04/02/an-aprils-fool-as-a-springboard/comment-page-1/#comment-2022 Adam Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:35:08 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=1078#comment-2022 As a matter of interest, do the original comments made by El Paso in relation to Mrs. Maguire still exist online? So far all I can find on el paso is the "apology" and the letter from Ted Randall... As a matter of interest, do the original comments made by El Paso in relation to Mrs. Maguire still exist online?

So far all I can find on el paso is the “apology” and the letter from Ted Randall…

]]> By: Twenty Major http://www.mulley.net/2006/04/02/an-aprils-fool-as-a-springboard/comment-page-1/#comment-1994 Twenty Major Sun, 02 Apr 2006 21:37:29 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=1078#comment-1994 Should their be a blogging code of ethics that we all abide by so as to ensure we don't make one and other look bad? It's an individual pursuit, in most cases, and like any other there are good bloggers and bad bloggers. Ruthless bloggers, bloggers who want to provoke and gain media exposure and so on. I don't think people are foolish enough to believe that one unsavoury incident (and that's not a view everyone holds on what El Paso did) means all bloggers are the same. Unless all Muslims *are* suicide bombers... Should their be a blogging code of ethics that we all abide by so as to ensure we don’t make one and other look bad?

It’s an individual pursuit, in most cases, and like any other there are good bloggers and bad bloggers. Ruthless bloggers, bloggers who want to provoke and gain media exposure and so on. I don’t think people are foolish enough to believe that one unsavoury incident (and that’s not a view everyone holds on what El Paso did) means all bloggers are the same.

Unless all Muslims *are* suicide bombers…

]]> By: Bernie Goldbach http://www.mulley.net/2006/04/02/an-aprils-fool-as-a-springboard/comment-page-1/#comment-1992 Bernie Goldbach Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:44:02 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=1078#comment-1992 I stumbled into this discussion after returning from a week's holiday from the internet and hope that any fork in the Irish blogging community following the El Paso article in the Sunday Times is a fork with accountability on the one side of the divide. You can be anonymous and still be accountable. The salient point remains accountability for tarring by blogging (salacious comments or libelous posts). There are problems with that kind of blogging. I stumbled into this discussion after returning from a week’s holiday from the internet and hope that any fork in the Irish blogging community following the El Paso article in the Sunday Times is a fork with accountability on the one side of the divide. You can be anonymous and still be accountable. The salient point remains accountability for tarring by blogging (salacious comments or libelous posts). There are problems with that kind of blogging.

]]> By: Damien http://www.mulley.net/2006/04/02/an-aprils-fool-as-a-springboard/comment-page-1/#comment-1991 Damien Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:25:12 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=1078#comment-1991 El Paso have previously told the Sunday Times that they would not do business/communicate with them. The commenting system seems to be buggy over there too. Some comments have disappeared it seems. El Paso have previously told the Sunday Times that they would not do business/communicate with them. The commenting system seems to be buggy over there too. Some comments have disappeared it seems.

]]> By: Bernard http://www.mulley.net/2006/04/02/an-aprils-fool-as-a-springboard/comment-page-1/#comment-1988 Bernard Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:21:44 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=1078#comment-1988 Were they not in the Blog Awards? I'm sure they are well known(ish). Now they have gotten MSM coverage, it doesn't matter they were unknown before. They have MSM coverage now, and there will be plenty of outlets more than happy to roll out EP as an example of bloggers. This, of course, would not be justified, but... Were they not in the Blog Awards?

I’m sure they are well known(ish).

Now they have gotten MSM coverage, it doesn’t matter they were unknown before. They have MSM coverage now, and there will be plenty of outlets more than happy to roll out EP as an example of bloggers. This, of course, would not be justified, but…

]]> By: Adam http://www.mulley.net/2006/04/02/an-aprils-fool-as-a-springboard/comment-page-1/#comment-1987 Adam Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:15:56 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=1078#comment-1987 That's the very intention of El Paso, I imagine. I refuse to link to their site due to the way they have acted in recent times, but I'm sure they'll be getting huge hit numbers all day... but that wont last. Bernard is right in relation to condemnation; if EPT does not retract their comments it is vital that they are not applauded, as some of their comments have moved towards. Obviously though, the cream of blogging has made it clear that these comments are not productive in any respect. That’s the very intention of El Paso, I imagine. I refuse to link to their site due to the way they have acted in recent times, but I’m sure they’ll be getting huge hit numbers all day… but that wont last.

Bernard is right in relation to condemnation; if EPT does not retract their comments it is vital that they are not applauded, as some of their comments have moved towards. Obviously though, the cream of blogging has made it clear that these comments are not productive in any respect.

]]> By: Damien http://www.mulley.net/2006/04/02/an-aprils-fool-as-a-springboard/comment-page-1/#comment-1986 Damien Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:11:51 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=1078#comment-1986 The Blog O'Sphere didn't as a whole or large part go for the jugular. The most read bloggers didn't write this. One voice in literally thousands did write this. Most people didn't even know who El Paso was til the Times. Now we are all talking about them and linking to them. :) The Blog O’Sphere didn’t as a whole or large part go for the jugular. The most read bloggers didn’t write this. One voice in literally thousands did write this. Most people didn’t even know who El Paso was til the Times. Now we are all talking about them and linking to them. :)

]]> By: Bernard http://www.mulley.net/2006/04/02/an-aprils-fool-as-a-springboard/comment-page-1/#comment-1985 Bernard Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:04:36 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=1078#comment-1985 It is bad press for bloggers, just the same that it was bad press for the mainstream media when they reported that Liam Lawlor was killed in a carcrash with a hooker. At the time, the MSM stuck by their stories, and said they were right. When they were proven wrong, they retracted the stories, and apologised. If EPT does not retract and apologise (unless they can prove otherwise), AND Irish Bloggers do not denounce their story, then it will be bad press for blogs, as we (and I call myself a blogger here) will be tarred with the same brush. I was having a discussion about remaining anonymous with Tom Raftery in the passt, and we both came to the conclusion that the more you stay anonymous, the more you look like you have something to hide...that you are the PFY in his bedroom writing nasties about people. Damien says he is happy to be accountable. So am I. I would wager so is the majority of Irish blogging community. @adam: I wish I did have the required money to see through the high court case. This is the problem with the libel laws in Ireland. They are stacked in favour of the person with more money, NOT the person telling the truth. I hope DRI takes this as a stick to the government. bernard It is bad press for bloggers, just the same that it was bad press for the mainstream media when they reported that Liam Lawlor was killed in a carcrash with a hooker.
At the time, the MSM stuck by their stories, and said they were right.

When they were proven wrong, they retracted the stories, and apologised.

If EPT does not retract and apologise (unless they can prove otherwise), AND Irish Bloggers do not denounce their story, then it will be bad press for blogs, as we (and I call myself a blogger here) will be tarred with the same brush.

I was having a discussion about remaining anonymous with Tom Raftery in the passt, and we both came to the conclusion that the more you stay anonymous, the more you look like you have something to hide…that you are the PFY in his bedroom writing nasties about people.

Damien says he is happy to be accountable. So am I. I would wager so is the majority of Irish blogging community.

@adam: I wish I did have the required money to see through the high court case. This is the problem with the libel laws in Ireland.
They are stacked in favour of the person with more money, NOT the person telling the truth.

I hope DRI takes this as a stick to the government.

bernard

]]> By: Adam http://www.mulley.net/2006/04/02/an-aprils-fool-as-a-springboard/comment-page-1/#comment-1984 Adam Sun, 02 Apr 2006 17:59:23 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=1078#comment-1984 :D Well from where I'm standing they made comments connecting two men to serious alleged crimes without any evidence and without any trial being conducted (That I know of); as part of this they tied this alleged crimes to a person whom would have no connection to them, even if they did indeed happen. I'm confident enough to say that they have ignored these peoples rights to a fair trial, defamed them in public and ignored the justice system. :D
Well from where I’m standing they made comments connecting two men to serious alleged crimes without any evidence and without any trial being conducted (That I know of); as part of this they tied this alleged crimes to a person whom would have no connection to them, even if they did indeed happen.

I’m confident enough to say that they have ignored these peoples rights to a fair trial, defamed them in public and ignored the justice system.

]]> By: Damien http://www.mulley.net/2006/04/02/an-aprils-fool-as-a-springboard/comment-page-1/#comment-1983 Damien Sun, 02 Apr 2006 17:55:37 +0000 http://www.mulley.net/?p=1078#comment-1983 "You may say that, I couldn't possibly comment." “You may say that, I couldn’t possibly comment.”

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